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Samsung Turning Dispute with Apple to its Advantage in Australian Marketing

dethmaShine said:
I think you should first read the comment instead of being aggressive for absolutely no reason.

I replied to your comment: "Anymode didn't ripoff SmartCovers, instead produced Incase's original design clones."

I "argued" that this could be viewed from different angles. I explained that even though I myself think that Anymode designs basically clone Incase cases, they basically ripped off Apple. Reasons are given in the argument above, which you may wish to read again.

Hence, please come back with a valid argument to refute my argument. :)
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How can anymode basically rip off apple when apple ripped off incase first?
 
foiden said:
The only bad thing that really came out of it was that good Pre-emptive multitasking for the consumer market, was delayed by 10 years. This is one case in which I actually saw the industry hold back technological progress due to marketing. We're actually at least 10 years behind where we could've been. Windows '95 should've been Something '85. If anything, Microsoft actually slowed the industry, not innovate.
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That's some back asswards logic you've got going on there. Preemptive multitasking OSes have been around since the DOS days, since the first Amiga GUI OS in the mid-late 80's, and the very first of MS's NT line back in '93. It wasn't exactly a forbidden technology, and Windows 95s success as a preemptive multitasking OS doesn't mean MS held the entire industry at bay just so they could market it exclusively.

Hell, Apple didn't even support preemptive multitasking until OSX came out in, what? 2000? 2001? So what held them back from using it? Microsoft? I kinda doubt it. Sometimes it takes a bit for a company to adopt a standard.

No. MS didn't slow anyone down. Barring the occasional hiccup here and there, computer OS industry has marched on unabated since the late 70's.
 
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phySi0 said:
It's/it was sold in Samsung stores and was "Samsung certified" until they embarassedly had to say that it was an "oversight."

CoM - "Anymode is owned by Youngbo Engineering, headed by the nephew of Samsung chairperson Kun-Hee Lee, according to 9to5Mac."

I hope to continue this debate later. I have to go right now.
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ChazUK said:
Arguement? Who's arguing here?
To insinuate that Samsung is copying Apple based on a third party case design is absurd.

People can make judgements based on the things that Samsung are directly responsible for by all menas but going by this logic, Sony are copying Microsoft for this:

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Hey, it's not made by Sony but it looks like an XBOX360 controller after all. Boo, hiss Sony!

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Samsung never did sell the case in any of its stores, nor does it currently. If you can find it in stock on any of Samsung's websites, I'll gladly take what I believe to be true back,

http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/19/samsung-pulls-controversial-anymode-smart-case-says-it-never-re/

If you can link to those Samsung stores, that would be great.
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From the CoM news article: "The Galaxy Tab tablet cover was sold in Samsung’s South Korean stores and created by Anymode. Anymode is owned by Youngbo Engineering, headed by the nephew of Samsung chairperson Kun-Hee Lee, according to 9to5Mac. Samsung reportedly yanked the product, saying the certification was “an oversight.”"

The fact that it was only sold in the South Korean stores kinda makes me think they knew what they were doing.

Plus, how do you explain the fact that his nephew's company made it? He probably wanted the Smart Cover for the Tab, but since Apple is already kinda mad at them, he asks his nephew to do it, and he'll sell it in his stores and label them as "Samsung certified".
 
phySi0 said:
From the CoM news article: "The Galaxy Tab tablet cover was sold in Samsung’s South Korean stores and created by Anymode. Anymode is owned by Youngbo Engineering, headed by the nephew of Samsung chairperson Kun-Hee Lee, according to 9to5Mac. Samsung reportedly yanked the product, saying the certification was “an oversight.”"

The fact that it was only sold in the South Korean stores kinda makes me think they knew what they were doing.

Plus, how do you explain the fact that his nephew's company made it? He probably wanted the Smart Cover for the Tab, but since Apple is already kinda mad at them, he asks his nephew to do it, and he'll sell it in his stores and label them as "Samsung certified".
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There is conflicting information on their availability in store.

Samsung went on to point out that none of the cases have actually been sold, while confirming that it's "working with Anymode to address this oversight.
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So were they sold or not? I'm not entirely sure how credible CultofMac are (I don't read it) but there are many sources saying that they were never sold (probably based off of the same quote).

Does Cult of Mac have any pictures of them in South Korean stores? Have you yourself ever seen one sold in a South Korean store?
 
ChazUK said:
There is conflicting information on their availability in store.

So were they sold or not? I'm not entirely sure how credible CultofMac are (I don't read it) but there are many sources saying that they were never sold (probably based off of the same quote).

The quote is probably saying that they never managed to get any money and give it to a customer. That's the way I see it without conflicting. They were offered for sale, but never bought. I think that's what it means.

Does Cult of Mac have any pictures of them in South Korean stores? Have you yourself ever seen one sold in a South Korean store?
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CoM doesn't have any pictures and nor have I seen them in South Korean stores. But the fact that they are "working to address this oversight" is enough. If they weren't sold, then what's the oversight?
 
phySi0 said:
If they weren't sold, then what's the oversight?
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The 'Designed for Samsung' certification?

Samsung response:

Samsung Electronics did not certify Anymode’s ‘Smart Case’
July 19, 2011 | 28 Comments | Tomorrow Works
As a general practice, Samsung Electronics reviews and approves all accessories produced by partners before they are given the "Designed for Samsung Mobile" mark.

In this case, approval was not given to Anymode for the accessory to feature this official designation. We are working with Anymode to address this oversight and the product has already been removed from the Anymode sales website. The product has not been sold.
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http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=3476
 
phySi0 said:
CoM doesn't have any pictures and nor have I seen them in South Korean stores. But the fact that they are "working to address this oversight" is enough. If they weren't sold, then what's the oversight?
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According to Samsung, Anymode was not granted “Designed for Samsung Mobile” certification, and the companies are now working “to address this oversight.”
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BOLD TEXT = oversight.
 
phySi0 said:
CoM doesn't have any pictures and nor have I seen them in South Korean stores. But the fact that they are "working to address this oversight" is enough. If they weren't sold, then what's the oversight?
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Why do you keep yapping about this anymode cover? Apple ripped off the design from incase first.
 
Renzatic said:
No. MS didn't slow anyone down. Barring the occasional hiccup here and there, computer OS industry has marched on unabated since the late 70's.
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MS slowed everyone down, don't mistake it. The most glaring example is how they almost managed to kill off the web as an open standard by forcing IE down everyone's throat and steering clear of standards for so long.

If not for them, CSS implementations would be way ahead and so would implementations for other W3C standards (SVG ring a bell ?). Also, maybe we wouldn't have been stuck with GIF and the whole Unisys LZW compression patent for so long and PNG/MNG would have been much more supported and earlier too boot. I remember making websites using PNGs in 1998, with of course IE not graciously rendering them at all (hello Microsoft, it's an 8 bit alpha channel, not a visibility bit).

While Apple didn't do much to advance the consumer computing paradigms in the 90s, Microsoft also didn't do much. In '93, NT could've been both a consumer/profesional OS. Microsoft held back multimedia APIs from NT until Windows 2000 and even then, it took XP to really bring it to consumer levels. This would have given us better security models, proper multi-user support (I don't mean the god awful Windows 95 profiles...) and a much more robust kernel.

So yes, while preemptive multi-tasking is not something we lacked, there are plenty of other computing paradigms that were held back.
 
Dbrown said:
Why do you keep yapping about this anymode cover? Apple ripped off the design from incase first.
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Yes, they used the InCase design as a base, but it sticks on the iPad in a completely different method. InCase had one really good idea: the separate bands to manipulate the cover in different ways.

And added magnets, which allows for smart lock. They also made the iPad automatically sleep and wake.

That's improvement.

OTOH, Samsung is already in Apple's bad books for copying their other products, so combine that with the fact that this is created by his nephew's company, plus the fact that it didn't even bother to change the name. It is obvious that they are deliberately trying to be as similar as Apple as possible.

They're like the little kid in school that tries to see how far they can go and some of the teachers see it and are enraged, while the others just tell them to chill out. Only the ones who see it understand.
 
KnightWRX said:
So yes, while preemptive multi-tasking is not something we lacked, there are plenty of other computing paradigms that were held back.
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I wouldn't say we lacked it as a whole, but has there been much of it at all, in the consumer market, until Windows 95? Or are we talking the exclusive few paying the non-consumer prices?

There were things like the Amiga, but they were definitely a PC victim and hardly constitutes as getting the market. The average consumer, back in 1985, wasn't even educated on what you could do with such multi-tasking. I do blame that on awful marketing by Commodore.

I still wonder what state things would be, if that stuff caught on when it was made available for the consumer market. You know the big players were aware of it, but weren't in much of a hurry to follow suit. When I had the Amiga, back then, it was like I had a consumer machine of the future that nobody else would have for a while. Never realized how long that while would be.
 
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