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And that addresses my not particularly clever post how??
One billion, 500 million...ah, what's the diff...
Samsung's Exclusive Contract for iOS Device Chips Expiring in June as A7 for iPhone 6 Heads to TSMC?
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And that addresses my not particularly clever post how??
One billion, 500 million...ah, what's the diff...
uknowimright
macrumors 6502a
was wondering the same thing
But that could be any product. A phone - a refrigerator. You can't tell from just a chip order.
And you said iOS roadmap. How can Samsung know anything about software based on a chip?
Again - sounds like you know nothing about manufacturing.
inlinevolvo
macrumors 6502
I for one agree with you and feel concerned that apple might be punishing its customers rather than samsung with such a shift. This is presuming that samung is superior to tsmc. We could be surprised with good news as a result of this but based on the history you mentioned, I'm cautious. I was one who had my rmbp replaced with a Samsung display and couldn't be happier.
iGrip
macrumors 68000
Prepare for massive supply issues and the subsequent giddy "sell-out" of key Apple products.
The diehards will claim that the issues are due to massive popularity of the devices. Wall Street will cut its losses.
And Samsung will replace Apple's business with new customers' orders at much higher margins.
The diehards will claim that the issues are due to massive popularity of the devices. Wall Street will cut its losses.
And Samsung will replace Apple's business with new customers' orders at much higher margins.
pgiguere1
macrumors 68020
It's amazing to be for all the hate that Samsung gets they provide the brains of our beloved iPhones.
Let's all give them a thank you!
Thank you Samsung for working with Apple!
There's no evidence there would be any impact on iPhones if their SoC was manufactured by some other company who offered Apple a lower price for the deal. It's not like Samsung designed the chip, they only manufacture it.
That would be like thanking Foxconn for Apple products being pretty.
iGrip
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It's amazing to be for all the hate that Samsung gets they provide the brains of our beloved iPhones.
Let's all give them a thank you!
Thank you Samsung for working with Apple!
If it were not for Samsung and Microsoft, Apple would have curled up and died long ago.
swarmster
macrumors 6502a
It's amazing to be for all the hate that Samsung gets they provide the brains of our beloved iPhones.
Let's all give them a thank you!
Thank you Samsung for working with Apple!
Samsung doesn't provide the "brains". All engineering on Apple's current processors is done in-house. Samsung is/was the dumb-fab due to a pre-existing contract. Could be done anywhere with the capacity (or willing to build up the capacity).
Hopefully they can keep up with demand otherwise going to be a lot of outraged IOS users, i mean look how long it took the screen suppliers to meet demand once apple kicked samsung to the curb.
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People have no clue what they are talking about. It wasn't the samsung displays/chips/SSD's that were having problems, it was the "other suppliers" who were providing the faulty parts.
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People have no clue what they are talking about. It wasn't the samsung displays/chips/SSD's that were having problems, it was the "other suppliers" who were providing the faulty parts.
Renzatic
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Yup. Hopefully this move will end up with higher quality processors, much like Apple's decision to use LG screens in the rMBPs.
nick_elt
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ftaok
macrumors 603
But Samsung doesnt work in a vacuum. Knowledge of apple's chip plans might not be useful by itself, but combined with knowledge of apple's screen, RAM, and NAND orders begins to paint a clear picture of the product roadmap. Also, knowing what Apple's future chips focus on (eg power efficiency, graphics performance, etc) is pretty useful as well. And knowing the basic specs of you competitor's CPUs will help your own planning in terms of marketing your devices.
In the end, it's good for Apple to distance themselves from Samsung as a component supplier in regards to protecting your trade secrets.
Ok so even if they "knew when something was coming" that would be all they knew and you act like samsung just sits around waiting for the next thing to drop. Which even if they had an idea they would not know what it would look/function like and even if the chips they made were going into that particular model.
Renzatic
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Honestly, the only thing Samsung could divine from Apple's manufacturing orders are the make and speed of processors in their next device. There isn't much info they can gleam from that, other than how it compares to their current processor lineup.
pgiguere1
macrumors 68020
Yes. They "only" manufacture the chip. By all means - marginalize that
I'm just being fair to all component manufacturers.
The scale at which they produce those components is impressive, but those manufacturers are easily replaceable nonetheless. Case in point: this article.
If we thank Samsung, we should also thank the other component manufacturers: LG, Sharp, Japan Display, Qualcomm, Broadcom, Sony, Texas Instruments, STMicroelectronics, Elpida, Murata, Hynix, Avago, SWUA, Triquint, Skyworks...
Popeye206
macrumors 68040
How is that iGripe?
nick_elt
macrumors 68000
If Microsoft didnt exist Apple would be no. 1 computer company since the 80's. And if it werent for Samsung, they, well, would have diferent suppliers. (please take this comment with as much seriousness that you should take the one I was talking about, im just making a point)
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I disagree. Not to mention - the OP spoke of iOS - not product roadmap.
And again - just because they order chips and screens and nand doesn't mean all three are in one specific product.
I can order Eggs, Milk and Sugar from a supplier - that doesn't mean I'm making a cake. Or cookies. I could be making just about anything.
Squilly
macrumors 68020
I'd cut all supplies and watch the company crash and burn if I were fined that much due to them.
Renzatic
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If wishes were horses, we'd all be eating steak.
Popeye206
macrumors 68040
This I agree with... Samsung does not want to be friends. They want to compete, so Apple should remove Samsung as a supplier.
I don't know why so may seem to think Samsung designs the A Series chips???? They supply them under contract, but Apple is the designer of the chip. Getting the chip out of Samsung I think is a good thing. Like it or not, Samsung has proven they too (like everyone in high tech) will steal ideas.
I wouldn't say they can be "easily" replaced. I agree that you can't give "credit" for the ultimate product because of any one or a few parts.
Having capacity and QC to manufacture parts is an art unto its own. That's why I say it's not "easily" replaced by another company.
Just ask those that have had issues with their screens or hard drives that weren't Samsung.
Don't get me wrong - I don't think Samsung is the only viable supplier or even that Apple SHOULD be relying on them. I just don't see the reason why some people are so filled with hate and/or think this is automatically a good thing.
Popeye206
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good one... also, if you go back to the history of MS, they make it very clear that it was the development of MS Word and Excel for the Mac back in 1986 time frame that saved their bacon in the early days. MS and Apple have each had a helping hand from the other over the years.