It's nowhere near over. Despite what you and others might think, the case is all about comparing vagaries to vagaries, with both sides having to fight an uphill battle to win.
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Samsung's Massive Document Outlining How to Improve Galaxy S by Adopting iPhone Solutions Surfaces
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It's nowhere near over. Despite what you and others might think, the case is all about comparing vagaries to vagaries, with both sides having to fight an uphill battle to win.
What better way to prove that you do this all the time, then providing documents that show you do this all the time?what other possible defense would Samsung have against this document, if they want to argue that they do this all the time?
Please don't try to flip this on me. You clearly did not understand what discovery is and are now trying to argue that Samsung probably had some other trick up their sleeve to counter this doc. I just say i lost a little respect for you there as it's evident now that you just want to be right no matter what. Now you'll come back and say you don't care what anyone thinks...
a) other documents could open themselves up to other litigation. Who knows.
b) I'm not trying to flip this on you LOL - I think that's projection. You suggested some magical document might get introduced and I said no - discovery is over. I never suggested Samsung had some trick up it's sleeve. Where did I ever say that?
And you're wrong - I care a lot about what many people think. But most, if not all of them are not posting on Mac Rumors
There's nothing vague about the "crisis of design" memo. It's cut & dried, Samsung copied instead of innovating.
a) other documents could open themselves up to other litigation. Who knows.
b) I'm not trying to flip this on you LOL - I think that's projection. You suggested some magical document might get introduced and I said no - discovery is over. I never suggested Samsung had some trick up it's sleeve. Where did I ever say that?
And you're wrong - I care a lot about what many people think. But most, if not all of them are not posting on Mac Rumors
So you're sticking with "if Samsung wants to prove that they do this all the time, they dont necessarily have to provide documentation that shows this happens all the time"?
What would be magical about that? Isn't that common sense? If i want to prove i typed a paper on evolution, wouldn't my best proof be showing you the paper i typed on evolution?
You're not making sense to me. sad, because you did at one point!
It will be interesting to see the verdict and any appeals. And I wonder what constitutes one company "winning."
IE - if Samsung loses but doesn't pay restitution and can no longer sell those (older) phones/tablets - is it a real win for Apple? And what will be the court of public opinion if Apple loses? Will it be accepted (ha) that Samsung didn't copy or will it be a complete lack of justice for Apple. Etc.
I'll go grab some popcorn - because the ride in itself is an interesting one.
in-no-vate (verb) : to introduce something new; make changes in anything established.
When there is a document that clearly states: "remove a feeling that iPhone's menu icons are copied by differentiating design" - you aren't innovating. Your copying.
This isn't an opinion. To innovate means your going to a place where others have not gone before - there is no reference point for what you are doing.
There isn't a currently held standard from which you can be compared. It doesn't exist.
You will be the standard. You are the new reference point.
I know that we each have products we love and adore. Companies we root for and want to see succeed and thrive. While admirable and adorable, there comes a point where objectivity must be separated from emotionality - and truth must be seen for what it is, not what we would like it to be. And that I think is the hard part. Seeing things for what they are.
When there is a document that clearly states: "remove a feeling that iPhone's menu icons are copied by differentiating design" - you aren't innovating. Your copying.
This isn't an opinion. To innovate means your going to a place where others have not gone before - there is no reference point for what you are doing.
There isn't a currently held standard from which you can be compared. It doesn't exist.
You will be the standard. You are the new reference point.
I know that we each have products we love and adore. Companies we root for and want to see succeed and thrive. While admirable and adorable, there comes a point where objectivity must be separated from emotionality - and truth must be seen for what it is, not what we would like it to be. And that I think is the hard part. Seeing things for what they are.
That document only means what you think it means because you've come to the topic with a preconceived notion in your head: that Samsung copied. It's the mindset of all the weirder hardcore Apple fans. Their pathological need to believe Apple did everything first, and everyone else, no matter how different, or how improved, is a pale exact replica.
Being shocked by another company doing something better than you, then studying what they did to improve upon what you've done in the past is not proof of copying.
Steve Jobs wanted to destroy Android completely and totally. He'd go for the jugular with Samsung. He'd want to drain their cash coffers completely, ban all Galaxy S phones that matter(II and III) and then go after Google. That's what Steve would have done. Tim Cook is milquetoast.
Yap, people said the same about the Lindholm email. Until the trial is over nothing is sure.
The damning proof is in the identical icons and arrangement of those icons, not the rounded rectangle case.
This is true, except Samsung didn't improve anything. They did the exact same thing Apple did after studying what Apple did. That's the point.
Samsung could have made different icons and a different layout, but they 100% copied. It's so blatant and obvious, how can anyone argue?
It's all ********. For all the arguments Apple fans have against Android that it's a rip-off OS with very similar UI elements behavior, Android fans have only one thing - Notifications. Bam!
The only similarity with the notifications in iOS and Android is how iOS uses a drop down from the status which I give it to Android for making really popular. But otherwise, the entire thing works differently and is functionally different.
Now honestly, as Android fans talk a lot about common sense, what should have Apple done?
Swipe from Above? Windows [before Android]
Swipe from below? Palm's WebOS
Swipe from Left or Right? They are not idiots
Center? ****** old UIAlertView
Apple took the right decision and used a drop down from status bar. That's it. And android did not invent drop down from status bar.
After looking at as many issues samsung had with there phone vs the iPhone. Its pretty freaking bad. I mean, they really had a phone that worked that way?
Thank GOD for the iPhone man seriously. I understand why they copied so much LOL
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They are close enough. And they follow the same pattern for there icons vs iOS's of just being close enough.
Thank GOD for the iPhone man seriously. I understand why they copied so much LOL
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They are close enough. And they follow the same pattern for there icons vs iOS's of just being close enough.
After looking at as many issues samsung had with there phone vs the iPhone. Its pretty freaking bad. I mean, they really had a phone that worked that way?
Thank GOD for the iPhone man seriously. I understand why they copied so much LOL
Very true. Their original implementation was horrible and really illogical. It's no coincidence that their ui looks the way it does.
this is all just so dumb and I kind of feel bad for all the giggly fanbois that thinks that either apple or samsung are their "team". It's just pathetic. I for one like the innovation that apple and samsung copying each other brings
I'll admit that the earlier Galaxy phones and Touchwiz are the most similar to Apple's original design. It's kinda hard to deny that Samsung took obvious inspirations from iOS.
...but it's still not exactly the same.
So I guess the question is, is "similar" in this case illegal? Is not being different enough just as infringing as completely copying? Did similar harm Apple's bottom line? These are some pretty difficult questions to answer.
Exactly.
The document proves that Samsung choose not to innovate.
They chose to copy.
It's a sad day for Samsung. I like them as a company. They make great LED TV's.