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diamond.g said:
Neither have I. Maybe Apple will blaze a trail in that arena :D.

EDIT:Found this link. It has a decent list of the mobile GPU solutions. Some even have power requirements listed.
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Well, again, it's no longer going to be necessary. As long as Apple does use the updated GPU's (like the GeForce 8600 or ATI's mobile X2600), they will be able to offer that level of performance without any extraordinary effort.

The 8600 is already known to be available in some upcoming 14 and 15" notebooks from Asus, so it should be possible for Apple to use (or use the ATI equivalent).
 
diamond.g said:
Neither have I. Maybe Apple will blaze a trail in that arena :D.

EDIT:Found this link. It has a decent list of the mobile GPU solutions. Some even have power requirements listed.
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even with a lower end midrange GPU, the MBP is pretty close to blazing whatever sits under it. Apple has taken the design to the edge here. Anymore and you could see a very unreliable machine.
 
diamond.g said:
I think most of the frustrations is you are getting a high end notebook with a midgrade graphics solution.<snip>
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I agree. Seems there's too much emphasis on the cpu and not enough focus on getting top notch graphics performance to go with it.
 
BenRoethig said:
even with a lower end midrange GPU, the MBP is pretty close to blazing whatever sits under it. Apple has taken the design to the edge here. Anymore and you could see a very unreliable machine.
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Yeah, honestly, I'm not sure what people expect Apple to do here. I see so many comments here about how there's no reason Apple shouldn't be sticking something like an X1800 or GeForce 7900GS in there, and it just doesn't seem realistic.

For people who think that it would be so easy to get more out of the current MBP, I'd invite them to spend some time with the Asus G1. That is a 15" laptop that is 1.5" thick and weighs 6.8 pounds, and features the best possible mobile GPU currently available, a GeForce 7700 with 512MB of RAM.

This is a machine that is much thicker and much heavier than a 15" MBP.....

But even with that extra room, it still runs VERY hot. And this is just a 7700, not even the 7900GS that some people are insisting could be crammed in a 15" MBP.

Seriously, Apple can only do so much with the parts that are available. With the upcoming next generation of mobile GPU's they will be able to offer better relative performance (just as a part like the X1600 offered better performance than the Radeon 9700 Mobility before it).
 
Zadillo said:
Yeah, honestly, I'm not sure what people expect Apple to do here. I see so many comments here about how there's no reason Apple shouldn't be sticking something like an X1800 or GeForce 7900GS in there, and it just doesn't seem realistic.

For people who think that it would be so easy to get more out of the current MBP, I'd invite them to spend some time with the Asus G1. That is a 15" laptop that is 1.5" thick and weighs 6.8 pounds, and features the best possible mobile GPU currently available, a GeForce 7700 with 512MB of RAM.

This is a machine that is much thicker and much heavier than a 15" MBP.....

But even with that extra room, it still runs VERY hot. And this is just a 7700, not even the 7900GS that some people are insisting could be crammed in a 15" MBP.

Seriously, Apple can only do so much with the parts that are available. With the upcoming next generation of mobile GPU's they will be able to offer better relative performance (just as a part like the X1600 offered better performance than the Radeon 9700 Mobility before it).
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Well I figure that the 7900GS can be placed in the MBP. Why? Cause the X1600 isn't even running at full speed. I just figure the same can be done for the 7900GS. I mean are you guys saying that Apples MBP design can't handle maybe 3 more watts of heat? The 7900GS runs at a lower clock rate than the X1600 does stock. It also has the advantage of an additional 8 PS, 2 VS and 8 ROPS. Not even mentioning that it is a 265bit part that alone would be a godsend for graphics apps that rely on memory bandwidth.
 
diamond.g said:
Well I figure that the 7900GS can be placed in the MBP. Why? Cause the X1600 isn't even running at full speed. I just figure the same can be done for the 7900GS. I mean are you guys saying that Apples MBP design can't handle maybe 3 more watts of heat?
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Your logic doesn't make any sense.

The X1600 even isn't running at the full clockspeed, so your suggestion is to cram a 7900GS in there and dramatically underclock it?

What would be the point exactly? All that would do is increase the price and offer no performance benefit, because it would be so dramatically underclocked.

Again, there is a reason that NO-ONE has a 15" laptop with a GeForce 7900GS in it right now...... and for that matter, no-one has a 1" thick 17" laptop with one either. It isn't physically possible, and it would serve no real performance benefit.

Even that behemoth Asus G1, which as I noted is 1.5" thick and 6.8 pounds, doesn't feature one, because it wouldn't work.

Again, if you want GeForce 7900GS level performance in a 15" laptop, you need to wait for the upcoming 15" laptops featuring a GeForce 8600, which are able to do that thanks to improvements in efficiency and manufacturing that now allow them to make a part suitable for 14 and 15" laptops that is more powerful (just as the current X1600 allows for power that previously hadn't been available in laptops of that form factor).

-Zadillo
 
Zadillo said:
Your logic doesn't make any sense.

The X1600 even isn't running at the full clockspeed, so your suggestion is to cram a 7900GS in there and dramatically underclock it?

What would be the point exactly? All that would do is increase the price and offer no performance benefit, because it would be so dramatically underclocked.

Again, there is a reason that NO-ONE has a 15" laptop with a GeForce 7900GS in it right now...... and for that matter, no-one has a 1" thick 17" laptop with one either. It isn't physically possible, and it would serve no real performance benefit.

Even that behemoth Asus G1, which as I noted is 1.5" thick and 6.8 pounds, doesn't feature one, because it wouldn't work.

Again, if you want GeForce 7900GS level performance in a 15" laptop, you need to wait for the upcoming 15" laptops featuring a GeForce 8600, which are able to do that thanks to improvements in efficiency and manufacturing that now allow them to make a part suitable for 14 and 15" laptops that is more powerful (just as the current X1600 allows for power that previously hadn't been available in laptops of that form factor).

-Zadillo
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Sorry I expanded my thoughts while you must have been typing.
 
AidenShaw said:
http://www.cnet.com/4520-6022_1-6410042-1.html

"Intel debuts Core Duo: dual-core processors come to laptops

By Justin Jaffe
Thursday, January 5, 2006

In a keynote speech today by CEO Paul Otellini at CES in Las Vegas, Intel officially unveiled its new Centrino Duo Mobile Technology. The centerpiece of the Duo Mobile chipset, previously code-named Napa, is Intel's Core Duo chip, which places two mobile processing cores on one chip. "​


http://www.apple.com/hotnews/articles/2006/01/mwsf/

"Macworld Keynote
Apple CEO Steve Jobs delivered a keynote presentation on Tuesday, January 10, at 9 a.m. PST, introducing the latest products from Apple, including the new iMac and MacBook Pro computers built with the Intel Core Duo chip..."​

It was the following week, not the next day.
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Thanks for the correction. My memory had it as a Monday/Tuesday announcement schedule. Still, Thursday to Tuesday is a pretty fair turn around. :D
 
diamond.g said:
Sorry I expanded my thoughts while you must have been typing.
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Yes, I saw that after my reply was posted.

Honestly though, I'd still say the same thing I said above. It just isn't feasible. This isn't just an Apple thing. I don't know all the technical details; I just know that the GeForce 7900GS in its current form is not available in any 15" notebooks, and all evidence points to it being pretty much pointless to try putting one in a 15" notebook (if you had to dramatically underclock it, the performance benefits of a 7900GS would be lost, and all you'd have is a much more expensive GPU that can't be fully utilized).

Again, for the performance desired, one needs to wait for the 8600 Go, which offers that kind of performance but with a new manufacturing process that allows them to make a GPU that CAN be used in 14 and 15" notebooks.
 
Zadillo said:
Yes, I saw that after my reply was posted.

Honestly though, I'd still say the same thing I said above. It just isn't feasible. This isn't just an Apple thing. I don't know all the technical details; I just know that the GeForce 7900GS in its current form is not available in any 15" notebooks, and all evidence points to it being pretty much pointless to try putting one in a 15" notebook (if you had to dramatically underclock it, the performance benefits of a 7900GS would be lost, and all you'd have is a much more expensive GPU that can't be fully utilized).

Again, for the performance desired, one needs to wait for the 8600 Go, which offers that kind of performance but with a new manufacturing process that allows them to make a GPU that CAN be used in 14 and 15" notebooks.
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Hmm, after some digging it seems that the X1600 runs at it's normal clockrate. Is there a way for anyone with a MBP to find out what clockrate their GPU is running at? Cause if that is true then 3 watts isn't a big deal and it could be done. At this point I see Apple waiting for AMD's solution to see if it is better than Nvidia's. Since there is no DX for Mac's it comes down to things like power requirements and unit cost for Apple.
 
diamond.g said:
Hmm, after some digging it seems that the X1600 runs at it's normal clockrate. Is there a way for anyone with a MBP to find out what clockrate their GPU is running at? Cause if that is true then 3 watts isn't a big deal and it could be done. At this point I see Apple waiting for AMD's solution to see if it is better than Nvidia's. Since there is no DX for Mac's it comes down to things like power requirements and unit cost for Apple.
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Yes, using ATItool on Windows while in Boot Camp. This guy posted a pretty detailed review of his C2D MBP:

http://lartren.com/mac/

Using ATItool he was able to determine the X1600 was clocked at 418.50 core and 445.50 memory (which was a significant improvement over the original Core Duo MBP, which had an X1600 clocked in the low 300's I believe (don't remember the exact numbers). The improved ventilation I think especially in the C2D MBP allowed for the higher default clockspeeds.

The stock clockspeeds of the X1600 are 470/470, but many laptop manufacturers that use the X1600 underclock it to some degree, especially in thinner and lighter notebooks that use them.
 
Specs for HP / Compaq Santa Rosa

Recently leaked: http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3671

First mention I've seen that seems to confirm EVDO & HSPDA could be available now:

* Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo T7100 / T7700, FSB 800MHz
* Memory: 4GB DDR2 PC2-5300 a 667MHz
* Screen: 14,1" WXGA BrightView
* Graphics: Intel GMA X3100
* Hard Drive SATA 80-120-160 at 5400rpm / 80GB at 7200 rpm
* Networking: BroadCom 5787 10/100/1000 LAN, Wireless LAN 802.11 a,b,g,n, Bluetooth 2.0, WWAN (EVDO, HSDPA)
 
milkmanamok said:
Recently leaked: http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3671

First mention I've seen that seems to confirm EVDO & HSPDA could be available now:

* Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo T7100 / T7700, FSB 800MHz
* Memory: 4GB DDR2 PC2-5300 a 667MHz
* Screen: 14,1" WXGA BrightView
* Graphics: Intel GMA X3100
* Hard Drive SATA 80-120-160 at 5400rpm / 80GB at 7200 rpm
* Networking: BroadCom 5787 10/100/1000 LAN, Wireless LAN 802.11 a,b,g,n, Bluetooth 2.0, WWAN (EVDO, HSDPA)
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Not sure why that would be a surprise; that's simply HP/Compaq saying that those are the WWAN options that will be options on some of their models. Plenty of laptop manufacturers have been including EVDO or HSPDA modems as options for a while now.
 
Next week, May 9th is apparently the official launch. Still nothing leaked about Dell or Apple (the two companies I'm most likely to choose from).

Some of the leaked systems DO include Geforce 8600 or 8400 parts...and that on a 15" notebook. I *really* wish someone could get an 8800GTS in a 17" or 19" system, but I guess they won't do it until a process shrink.
 
Wolfpup said:
Next week, May 9th is apparently the official launch. Still nothing leaked about Dell or Apple (the two companies I'm most likely to choose from).

Some of the leaked systems DO include Geforce 8600 or 8400 parts...and that on a 15" notebook. I *really* wish someone could get an 8800GTS in a 17" or 19" system, but I guess they won't do it until a process shrink.
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Actually some info has leaked on two Dell Latitude models (the D630 and D840 or something..... replacements for the current similar models). Nothing really shocking though, just updates to the existing Latitudes they replace.

There will surely be an 8800 Go in 17" laptops, as that would be the logical replacement for the 7900's in current 17" systems. But it sounds like they are not due until later in the year (for the reason you cited).
 
Wolfpup said:
Next week, May 9th is apparently the official launch. Still nothing leaked about Dell or Apple (the two companies I'm most likely to choose from). ...
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Yep. Just days ago, Intel CEO Paul Otellini confirmed that Santa Rosa will launch on May 9th.

Re: Dell -- there have been some leaks about Santa Rosa offerings by that company.

Re: Apple -- we might hear about something on Wednesday. (But then again, maybe not.) ;)
 
Two bad nobody's leaked the 17" Dells. Those are the interesting ones. It would have been pointless waiting more than a couple of weeks for a low end model to update.
 
I would love to see an update in the next month or so. I would consider some info on Weds to be a delightful appetizer to June's main course. Oh and prior to June, or Wednesday for that matter, I would love to see a new guide made for MacRumors that teach both spelling and grammar.
 
As I've read it, the Santa Rosa platform supports 800 MHz memory, but many manufacturers will be shipping laptops with only 667 MHz memory (I think this is sort of like how some manufacturers still ship machines supporting 667 MHz memory with cheaper 533 MHz memory)
 
BenRoethig said:
DDR800 (and 1066 on the desktop side) is expensive and rare.
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Quite. It seems Crucial RAM doesn't sell it.

In fact, I can't find any notebook versions of PC2-6400 in any size.
Oh well, Hope and pray Apple can get their hands on some nice 1 and 2 GB sticks. Personally, I'll take 2x1GB.

(To below post): Hope so.
 
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