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A solid sapphire screen would double or triple the cost of the Apple Watch.
what??? HTC u ultra has sapphire and it didn't hd triple the cost....
[doublepost=1535908703][/doublepost]Apple since iphone 5s/6 sapphire home button, is no longer use pure sapphire...Apple should change the tech specs for its so called sapphire and rename "semi-sapphire"
 
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what??? HTC u ultra has sapphire and it didn't hd triple the cost....
[doublepost=1535908703][/doublepost]Apple since iphone 5s/6 sapphire home button, is no longer use pure sapphire...Apple should change the tech specs for its so called sapphire and rename "semi-sapphire"

What they are using now is fine, not an issue to me.
 
I think your point is not informative. The point of the video IS a real test comparison between what is an actual sapphire screen, and apple's sapphire. Since a lot of people think that the apple watch cannot be harmed by anything less than a sapphire's hardness (which isn't true), it's important to know what is actually being provided in terms of scratch resistance.

As someone as myself who spends a decent majority on the Apple Watch forum, I don’t agree with the Bolded. I think the Sapphire display adds a decent layer of protection, but I don’t think anybody thinks It’s impervious to damage. Many, including in this thread have had no issues with the Sapphire display in a variety of environments.

One thing that you’re failing to disclose to mention, is you’re not factoring there is a *clear* difference between the Sapphire display scratching and the oleophobic Coating that can scratch, which some tend to misconstrue the coating being scratched versus the actual sapphire display.

Not that this is really relevant in any terms of being significant or an accurate measurement for everybody else’s experience, but I have owned six stainless steel Apple Watches, none of them had scratches on the display after being use multiple times in all types of environments.

I Also think if the Apple Watch sapphire display was a 100% pure sapphire, the cost would be significantly higher, which granted this is a tech device, not a Swiss watch.


This could very well be the difference between getting a few scratches on your screen over time which is annoying, vs. not getting any. Having a sapphire screen is to almost say you have an "invincible screen", that cannot be damaged by anything short of diamond.

In a way, I almost think it’s being pedantic enough where you need to dissect the Apple sapphire display down to the point where we think it’s not durable enough for everyday usage. I Can’t tell you how many forum members/posts on here have expressed how the upgrade has been worth the sapphire display alone from over the Ion-X Glass with the aluminum model. Regardless of the combination or mixture of Apples sapphire display, it doesn’t change the real world experience that its a major selling point in terms of durability over the Sport model display.
 
you are fine with Apple marketing strategy? ok..
charging more cash for lies...this sapphire is not new, but this year the extra charging for the i9 cpu from MBP is the newest lie from Apple
I wonder what lie lies ahead from Apple marketing team
[doublepost=1535915675][/doublepost]Apple use less sapphire to reach that 1000nits...because pure sapphire takes a lot of "nits" otherwise
 
Someone else posted a video similar to this months back, and I never truly believe taking the razor blade to sapphire display on the Apple Watch is indicative of real world usage, at all.

For Record, This video has been posted multiple times in Other threads, which I have viewed. As I already mentioned, There were other videos they were posted in *similar* context where you have these ‘Youtubers’ that intentionally damage the sapphire display with razor blades or hammers to test the hardness, point being, that’s not really indicative of what somebody might experience with every day usage with the Apple Watch on somebody’s wrist.

There is No need to re-hash something that was already indicated when I clearly posted there were similar videos in context where you tubers have performed similar tests, The part where I said ‘hammers’, was not referring to this video clearly, as that is more or less to other videos. The video wasn’t the purpose of my quote, its the actual tests performed that are not indicative of what someone may or may not experience with the Apple Watch.

Since you decided to reply to Something I already reiterated, I decided to re-post what I stated again, I repeat:
Holy crap! Defensive much? Look, your first post only mentioned SIMILAR videos. Your second post mentioned SIMILAR CONTXET. Given those two statements, and the fact you seem to have completely missed the point behind the linked video, please forgive me for concluding that you didn’t watch it. Now that I understand that you did watch it and you’re being THIS defensive about it all, it just creates the impression that you’re shoving your fingers in your ears and screaming “LALALALALA I DON’T HEAR YOU!”

Look, the point is that other watches are available in the stainless steel Apple Watch’s price range that also come with sapphire glass. When performing OBJECTIVE and STANDARDIZED tests on that glass they perform BETTER than Apple’s. You can’t deny that without going into “Truth isn’t truth,” territory.

The ironic thing is that I actually agree with your main point, that the differences we’re talking about here are less meaningful in the real world. And I’ve certainly been very pleased with how my own SS S0 has held up. But I can ALSO wish that Apple provided that better quality for even better real life performance. By being so defensive you do your argument a disservice.
A solid sapphire screen would double or triple the cost of the Apple Watch.
I think this is clearly not true. If Tissot can sell a watch with sapphire glass for only $300 then why would Apple improving their sapphire increase costs as much as you claim?
 
Sadly my AW3 SBSS model has a deep scratch on the screen and I can feel it with my nail if I run it across. Luckily it's only on the bezel and not on the actual display. Not sure how it got there but I'm pretty sure I hit some wall accidentally that caused this damage, but TBH, I'm not bothered by it.
 
Weird. I get small scratches on my iPhone every year. I currently have a couple small ones on my iPhone X. But I’ve never scratched my launch Apple Watch Series 0. I even wear it doing yard work and even did masonry work with it on while building landscaping walls and also while framing in my studio in my basement this summer and it never once scratched through all of that. Though on election night in 2016 I did manage to accidentally put a small hairline crack in the display along the right edge when I whacked it against our stainless steel refrigerator door handle while walking by. That was not a great evening…lol.
 
The ironic thing is that I actually agree with your main point, that the differences we’re talking about here are less meaningful in the real world. And I’ve certainly been very pleased with how my own SS S0 has held up. But I can ALSO wish that Apple provided that better quality for even better real life performance. By being so defensive you do your argument a disservice.

I believe my points are well refuted and stand by everything I posted, it’s always difficult to interpret ones demeanor over context on the Internet, but the reality is, that the Sapphire display that Apple uses regardless of how much we want to take a microscope to examine how pure the sapphire is with the display, isn’t even relevant to what the consumer would care about in the real world, its a tech watch, I already iterated, it’s not some high-end Swiss watch or Tag. I’m also willing to believe that the majority of those who purchased the stainless model, don’t care one way just want the added protection with the Sapphire and stainless, which I think it does excellent in most conditions. I mentioned it before, there has been hundreds of members who have come forward and stated that they would never look back at the aluminum model just because of the protection from the Sapphire display alone that is held up against many situations, but obviously they’re always subtleties that may scratch the display because it’s not impervious to damage, but it certainly is much more stringent in terms of protection compared to the Ion-Glass.

I personally think Apple *doesn’t* need to change anything, this is coming from someone who owned multiple stainless Apple watches worn daily with _not_ even the slightest amount of damage, all in part thanks due to the Sapphire display.
 
Here is a pic of my S2 SS sapphire micro scratches. My S3 SS has similar scratches.
(Edit: I suppose I can’t attach pics directly from my iPhone)
 
I remove light scratches from both my iPhone X display and AW sapphire display with 3 micron industrial diamond paste. I lose the olephobic coating but don't have to look at light scratches.
 
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I believe my points are well refuted and stand by everything I posted, it’s always difficult to interpret ones demeanor over context on the Internet, but the reality is, that the Sapphire display that Apple uses regardless of how much we want to take a microscope to examine how pure the sapphire is with the display, isn’t even relevant to what the consumer would care about in the real world, its a tech watch, I already iterated, it’s not some high-end Swiss watch or Tag. I’m also willing to believe that the majority of those who purchased the stainless model, don’t care one way just want the added protection with the Sapphire and stainless, which I think it does excellent in most conditions. I mentioned it before, there has been hundreds of members who have come forward and stated that they would never look back at the aluminum model just because of the protection from the Sapphire display alone that is held up against many situations, but obviously they’re always subtleties that may scratch the display because it’s not impervious to damage, but it certainly is much more stringent in terms of protection compared to the Ion-Glass.

I personally think Apple *doesn’t* need to change anything, this is coming from someone who owned multiple stainless Apple watches worn daily with _not_ even the slightest amount of damage, all in part thanks due to the Sapphire display.

I think it's more about expecting what is being provided in other watches. Like it or not you can't just hide behind the moniker of 'it's a tech watch, it doesn't have to meet the same expectations', when other watches provide full sapphire protection.

I don't share the sentiment that it's a tech watch so it's allowed to have lower quality. I do fully understand that the life-cycle of the device will be at best 3-4 years since the internals will degrade and especially after updates. I do however, wish it had the full durability of a genuine sapphire display in case a serious incident does occur during it's life cycle, however long.

With that said, I also don't think the anecdotal evidence of 'people have been happy with the sapphire durability' applies when I don't think it's common that you would find someone who has upgraded directly from the regular sport model to the sapphire model and found increased durability. I think the point is more accurately rejected than used as evidence to the debate at hand.

The only mystery here is did apple's mix of sapphire cause increased smash/break protection, and that is assuredly unknown. The rest appears to simply be apple cheaping out.
 
I think it's more about expecting what is being provided in other watches. Like it or not you can't just hide behind the moniker of 'it's a tech watch, it doesn't have to meet the same expectations', when other watches provide full sapphire protection.

I’m not sure about your comparison here, because you’re indicating that the Apple Watch doesn’t use full sapphire, but then you make a claim that *other* watches provide ‘full sapphire’ protection? What watches are you talking about? More specifically, what tech watches are you aware of that provide full sapphire displays? And please, do not use mechanical watches as a comparison, because we are on a tech forum, hence the moniker behind tech. If you list any tech watches that you are aware of that use a full sapphire display that have been {tested and proven}, link the evidence so we can all seen what other tech Watches use ‘full’ sapphire displays.

I don't share the sentiment that it's a tech watch so it's allowed to have lower quality. I do fully understand that the life-cycle of the device will be at best 3-4 years since the internals will degrade and especially after updates. I do however, wish it had the full durability of a genuine sapphire display in case a serious incident does occur during it's life cycle, however long..

I honestly think you’re being overly dismissive of the Apple Watch in a lot of ways intentionally, more or less I think just for the sake of arguing semantics just in reply to his this specific thread because you were challenged. The Apple Watch sapphire display I think is proven to be more than durable enough for the majority of consumers, and there are _hundreds_ of posts on here for those who have upgraded that are more than content with their decision strictly just because of the sapphire display alone, which includes my extensive experience. To me, that speaks milestones over just arguing what lower quality is considered.


With that said, I also don't think the anecdotal evidence of 'people have been happy with the sapphire durability' applies when I don't think it's common that you would find someone who has upgraded directly from the regular sport model to the sapphire model and found increased durability. I think the point is more accurately rejected than used as evidence to the debate at hand..

Reference the bolded, how did you derive to that notion? I mean, unless you have a large sample of people around you that own the sport model and stainless Apple Watch that provide you direct opinions, the Internet is really the _only_ source that you have that you can verify what people are saying about their upgrade from the aluminum to the stainless. If you research through this forum, there are pages of threads about those who have upgraded strictly because they were not happy with the Ion –X Glass to the sapphire. Again, I think you’re looking for reasons to Shun the Sapphire display for whatever reasons, but yet we have evidence all around us, including in this very thread of those who have been more than happy with the Sapphire display regardless of what ‘mixture’ Apple uses.

The only mystery here is did apple's mix of sapphire cause increased smash/break protection, and that is assuredly unknown. The rest appears to simply be apple cheaping out.

There is Nothing cheap about the Apple Watch or the sapphire display or the stainless casing, this is just a discussion that will never be relevant outside a tech form because consumers don’t take these little artifacts that you’re pointing out to be a reality in their purchase. They simply want the aesthetics, the fluidity of watchOS and the sapphire display that they are aware of for the added protection, which indeed it does.
 
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