Save me from the dark side...Thinking about switching back to windows...

DaniJoy

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8gb ram, full OS, battery free Wacom EMR pen, 12" AMOLED screen , included fast charger, included pen and type cover, same battery life as the ipad pro 12.9. This thing hits all the major marks i need as a visual artist.

why oh why cant Apple make something like this? not a big enough market? i just dont get it. i love apple products, but living with the limits of the software and hardware just places the device in the toy department for me. fun and easy to use but worthless when i need to do some work. i cant rely on a ipad pro as a back up device to my art business. Say if my Wacom mobile studio pro breaks or gets lost. im out of work. i need two tablets that can get work done that are portable and fast enough to tackle big projects. The ipad pro wont cut it. its just frustration city for more advanced workflows. some half baked hack like Astropad attached to a mac book pro- does not cut it. i dont want to look like a douche from 10 years ago. I need hardware that can do the work.

ill sure miss the smoothness and performance of procreate, but who cares. photoshop does everything and more, and it works well enough on these wintabs.

I hope apple has something up their sleeve, but after almost 2 years with the ipad pro and the half a$$ apple pencil i am almost looking forward to jumping ship. maybe the grass is always greener, except wait, i already have another windows tablet. it works great. Wacom EMR does pen tech so much better.

fingers crossed that apple will actually innovate and give content creators something juicy in the next update. i really want to stay in the apple ecosystem- since im already invested, and it does do ALLOT of things right.

ok sorry for the rant im just annoyed with apple and feeling some serious techno-lust. I spent all my art school years on Apple and now i feel abandoned. Between the ipad pro and the nMac Pro im starting to loose faith in apple for content creation. Fortunately windows 10 actually works really well and has a good tablet mode that allows full functionality of the entire OS, with just your hands. So there are options that work for me.....

Apple, you woke yet?

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bubbleboil

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I tried to switch.

I bought a Alienware 13 with a touch screen. But things I still prefer my MBA.

The trackpad is so poorly optimized and so hard to scroll around.

Windows update is another issue on it's own.

Edge browser prompt me to install Chrome, while Chrome prompt me to install edge.
 
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B.A.T

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I'm very tempted by the Galaxy Book. Great specs and a great price. Just waiting for the reviews to come in.
 
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The notion that Apple does EVERYTHING better so you should stay put is a fantasy. It would be great but just not realistic. Others just do some things better. I have a pc for media, and gaming, you need art and content creation. The business sector is heavily invested in windows. And thats fine. I dont mind Apple isnt great for gaming. I dont know that I would even want them to start focusing on that. Apple does what it does and does it well. Keep it simple, thats what made them so great. There will always be some sector that Apple isnt going to be focused on and therefor will not do those things well. Dont beat yourself up if you need to do what you got to do to get your **** done
 

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8gb ram, full OS, battery free Wacom EMR pen, 12" AMOLED screen , included fast charger, included pen and type cover, same battery life as the ipad pro 12.9. This thing hits all the major marks i need as a visual artist.

why oh why cant Apple make something like this? not a big enough market? i just dont get it. i love apple products, but living with the limits of the software and hardware just places the device in the toy department for me. fun and easy to use but worthless when i need to do some work. i cant rely on a ipad pro as a back up device to my art business. Say if my Wacom mobile studio pro breaks or gets lost. im out of work. i need two tablets that can get work done that are portable and fast enough to tackle big projects. The ipad pro wont cut it. its just frustration city for more advanced workflows. some half baked hack like Astropad attached to a mac book pro- does not cut it. i dont want to look like a douche from 10 years ago. I need hardware that can do the work.

ill sure miss the smoothness and performance of procreate, but who cares. photoshop does everything and more, and it works well enough on these wintabs.

I hope apple has something up their sleeve, but after almost 2 years with the ipad pro and the half a$$ apple pencil i am almost looking forward to jumping ship. maybe the grass is always greener, except wait, i already have another windows tablet. it works great. Wacom EMR does pen tech so much better.

fingers crossed that apple will actually innovate and give content creators something juicy in the next update. i really want to stay in the apple ecosystem- since im already invested, and it does do ALLOT of things right.

ok sorry for the rant im just annoyed with apple and feeling some serious techno-lust. I spent all my art school years on Apple and now i feel abandoned. Between the ipad pro and the nMac Pro im starting to loose faith in apple for content creation. Fortunately windows 10 actually works really well and has a good tablet mode that allows full functionality of the entire OS, with just your hands. So there are options that work for me.....

Apple, you woke yet?

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Do it. Make the switch.
 

sparksd

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if its a great or the best tool for the job, get it. I agree the iPad pro is very half assed for art or design work.
Exactly. Evaluate your needs and use what works best for you. I have Apple, Windows, and Android devices and don't feel wed to any of them - I just select from them based on objective needs and a subjective evaluation of what I want to use at the time.
 

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fingers crossed that apple will actually innovate and give content creators something juicy in the next update. i really want to stay in the apple ecosystem- since im already invested, and it does do ALLOT of things right.

ok sorry for the rant im just annoyed with apple and feeling some serious techno-lust. I spent all my art school years on Apple and now i feel abandoned. Between the ipad pro and the nMac Pro im starting to loose faith in apple for content creation. Fortunately windows 10 actually works really well and has a good tablet mode that allows full functionality of the entire OS, with just your hands. So there are options that work for me.....

Apple, you woke yet?
I own a variety of devices running Windows, iOS, Android, and macOS. In my experience none of them stand head-and-shoulders above the others. They all have significant issues but they're different issues. The combo of Apple hardware/software used to be, but now things are pretty much evened out.

So it isn't a matter of finding something "better" but which solution has issues that impede your workflows the least.

If you are pleased with how Windows 10 works well as both a notebook and tablet then why not simply go that route? It is not wise to wait and hold out hope for something to happen. Go with what "already is" not what "might someday be"... because "someday" might never arrive.

If you want Apple to wake up, asking them to provide what you want is NOT an effective way to do it. Buy the competitive product that does what you want. Customer $$$ speak loud and clear to Apple. It took significant sales of smaller tablets and phablets to get Apple to give up and finally produce them.

A single customer switching to the competition won't be heard by Apple, but enough of them will, and you'll have the added benefit of having something that suits your needs better in the meantime.

I can't stand phablets. I wasn't going to buy the larger iPhone 6 and 7... So I bought a bezeless Android phone instead. But when Apple released the SE, I came back to the iphone (I had an iPhone 4 prior to that Android phone). Now I'm not under any illusion that my single purchase made a statement, but I know that there were many others who felt the same way and did the same thing, and THAT had an effect. And in that gap, I had a great and unique phone that I continue to use as a media player.
 
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stlredbird

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Get whatever you need. I took a very hard look at the surface pro and came very close to getting one before i ended up getting the 12.9 Pro. I thought I would want all of my needs met with one piece of equipment. In hindsight I'm happy I didnt. I love my Pro and Apple Pencil. The workflow is very easy, Procreate with the cloud or dropbox and pull it right up on my MacBook Pro, and the Adobe apps work fantastically with the CC cloud or sending art straight to the desktop apps. My only real complaints are that i wish i could edit points with Draw and I really wish Adobe Comp was more powerful and in line with InDesign. Then back in November I bought a beast MSI Windows gaming laptop, which is really all I use Windows for. No tablet, ipad or surface pro, is going to be the gaming beast i want for the forseeable future so that ultimately tipped the scales for me. So you just have to weigh your personal needs.

Absolutely love my 12.9 btw, use it everyday at work and home.
 

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I've looked quite awhile at the Galaxy Book. I was a fan of the Tab Pro S; however my issue with Samsung is lack of support over 2-3 years. They, like EA, take a slightly aged product to the pasture and execute it. I'd prefer to wait for Microsoft's next iteration.
 
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BenTrovato

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There's no reason to hate on Win10, it's very good. Mac's just look nicer (inside and out) but both accomplish the same tasks equally in my opinion. Once the iPhone 8 launches with ridiculous prices, the Mac ecosystem will be too expensive to continue to be a part of. It really isn't a bad time to switch back to Windows. Now if Microsoft pulls a Win8 and the next iteration is complete garbage then .. forget everything I said.
 

Toutou

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What's so dark about the other side? You're absolutely free to choose the tools that will help you do more with less.
Get that Samsung machine if you like it. Looks nice if you ask me.
Definitely a thousand times more usable than the iPad Pro.
 

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iPad Pro just isn't there yet. You could always switch and come back later if Apple actually makes a compelling product for Pro users. Or at least wait until the next version is released to see what it has. Personally I think they're working on overhauling the iPad OS, at least for a Pro version, but I still think it will be a few years before something like that is truly viable. The Mac is so much more useful right now. It's a shame they can't even make a MacBook Pro that you can flip the display over and use it for drawing with an Apple Pencil. It doesn't have to be a full tablet mode, just let us draw without a gimped system that has limited creative software.
 
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subjonas

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The Mac is so much more useful right now. It's a shame they can't even make a MacBook Pro that you can flip the display over and use it for drawing with an Apple Pencil. It doesn't have to be a full tablet mode, just let us draw without a gimped system that has limited creative software.
This has been my dream/frustration for the last 5 years ever since I switched to Mac for work (art). There has simply been no Apple solution for truly portable professional art on the go. Ideal would be a high end 15+" MacBook Pro with pen input (no touch). My 12.9 iPP is great for designs and preliminary work, but once I get into actual animation production, I need a MBP and I need to use it with a pen.
 
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The Mac is so much more useful right now. It's a shame they can't even make a MacBook Pro that you can flip the display over and use it for drawing with an Apple Pencil. It doesn't have to be a full tablet mode, just let us draw without a gimped system that has limited creative software.
This has been my dream/frustration for the last 5 years ever since I switched to Mac for work (art). There has simply been no Apple solution for truly portable professional art on the go. Ideal would be a high end 15+" MacBook Pro with pen input (no touch). My 12.9 iPP is great for designs and preliminary work, but once I get into actual animation production, I need a MBP and I need to use it with a pen.
And here is a problem that wont be going away. Apple has made it very clear that they have zero interest in doing anything resembling that. Tablet and laptop are two separate systems and NEVER shall the two meet, with laptops having touch screen capabilities.
 

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And here is a problem that wont be going away. Apple has made it very clear that they have zero interest in doing anything resembling that. Tablet and laptop are two separate systems and NEVER shall the two meet, with laptops having touch screen capabilities.
I said no touch
 

macgeek18

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Get what you need. My mobile tablet life is iPads. But my Mac Mini is getting used less and I'm using Windows at home more and more and it gets the job done. I'm not tied to one platform.
 
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DaniJoy

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What's so dark about the other side? You're absolutely free to choose the tools that will help you do more with less.
Get that Samsung machine if you like it. Looks nice if you ask me.
Definitely a thousand times more usable than the iPad Pro.
dang yeah, i just really wish i could rock a apple product!
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You want photo/video editing? Do as I did,get a 13 inch MBPr,a Wacom drawing pad with USB and Wacom pencil,and download Photoshop or pixelmator.
thanks for the tips. thats a solid but dated hardware setup. we were rocking those 15 years go. doing advanced masking is allot easier while drawing on the screen. tablets are ideal for digital design and art. i would much rather only carry one device that can do it all. i have them running windows, but i cant buy one that is apple. i work mobile so having a high powered mobile workstation tablet is essential for me.
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And here is a problem that wont be going away. Apple has made it very clear that they have zero interest in doing anything resembling that. Tablet and laptop are two separate systems and NEVER shall the two meet, with laptops having touch screen capabilities.
its breaking my heart too, because OSx is such a smooth operating system. A tablet running it would be ideal. too bad the modbook pro is just vaperware.....
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iPad Pro just isn't there yet. You could always switch and come back later if Apple actually makes a compelling product for Pro users. Or at least wait until the next version is released to see what it has. Personally I think they're working on overhauling the iPad OS, at least for a Pro version, but I still think it will be a few years before something like that is truly viable. The Mac is so much more useful right now. It's a shame they can't even make a MacBook Pro that you can flip the display over and use it for drawing with an Apple Pencil. It doesn't have to be a full tablet mode, just let us draw without a gimped system that has limited creative software.
yeah, im afraid i already have. im running a Wacom mobile studio pro 16. its great hardware but the software has its quirks. i know apple could do it better. im still keeping my fingers crossed that they will see the error of their ways by abandoning the content creation field. the barrier entry is so low these days , everyone can and needs to use professional software. the apps just dont do it for me yet.
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The notion that Apple does EVERYTHING better so you should stay put is a fantasy. It would be great but just not realistic. Others just do some things better. I have a pc for media, and gaming, you need art and content creation. The business sector is heavily invested in windows. And thats fine. I dont mind Apple isnt great for gaming. I dont know that I would even want them to start focusing on that. Apple does what it does and does it well. Keep it simple, thats what made them so great. There will always be some sector that Apple isnt going to be focused on and therefor will not do those things well. Dont beat yourself up if you need to do what you got to do to get your **** done
true true. i do love OSx though. its so smooth. im rocking windows 10 now on my MSP 16 and 27"wacom cintiq workstation. just cant get a fast enough mac these days....... its just so strange they used to be the go to for art and design.
 
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