Schiller on the Mac Mini (good news!)

Discussion in 'Mac mini' started by AyeGear, Apr 4, 2017.

  1. AyeGear macrumors newbie

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    • Near the end, John Paczkowski had the presence of mind to ask about the Mac Mini, which hadn’t been mentioned at all until that point. Schiller: “On that I’ll say the Mac Mini is an important product in our lineup and we weren’t bringing it up because it’s more of a mix of consumer with some pro use. … The Mac Mini remains a product in our lineup, but nothing more to say about it today.”

      Source: Daring Fireball
      http://daringfireball.net/2017/04/the_mac_pro_lives

     
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  3. Cave Man macrumors 604

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    Probably literal when he said there's "nothing more to say about it." In other words, it could be they have no new plans for the mini so he has nothing else to say.
     
  4. fokmik macrumors 68000

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    "Nothing more to say today "!!!! So the mac mini is not dead. Its clear their focus for this year are the imac and macbooks and for next year mac pro. So in 2019-2020 probably mac mini
     
  5. krause734 macrumors 6502

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    Upgrading the current MM is not difficult. Just use the non-TB MBP 13 components and you're done (for the moment) - could have been done last year.
     
  7. fokmik macrumors 68000

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    neeh, i think they want to have a redesign if they want to truly upgrade the mini
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    think that in 208-2019 we will have cpu based on 10nm ? so they can EASILY to make a mac mini half of current dimensions...with 4 usb-c, sd slot and power
     
  8. Cape Dave macrumors 68000

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    Sounds about right.
     
  9. Boyd01 macrumors 68040

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    If they cared they could do the same thing for the Mini that they just did to the Pro - same box with a faster CPU and graphics. But if that is too difficult for some reason, they could just lower the price of the existing Mini, make 8gb the standard memory and a 256gb SSD the standard disk. That wouldn't require any more work than editing a page on their website. Guess that is too much trouble though. ;)
     
  10. absynth, Apr 4, 2017
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    I called the modular design of a new Mac pro already last year. It's going to be a higher, more powerful version of the current Mac Mini, and the modules (SSD/HDD, GPU, perhaps even an optical drive) will work with both the Mac mini and the Mac Pro.

    Like the touchcover/kickstand combo of the Surface shamed the iPad's claim to replace the PC, the Slice shamed both the Mac pro and Mac Mini in it's flexibility to cater to a wide and further widening group of both pros and consumers.

    But where the HP Slice only caters to consumers and prosumers, I believe Apple will go all the way. It's still going to be compact, but way more flexible and easily upgradable (standardised to conform with OEM PC products). This is exactly what was announced today.
     
  11. redheeler macrumors 603

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    The Mac Pro announcement was vague enough that anyone can take it to mean what they want it to mean. Compatibility with standard PCIe cards like cMP, or swappable proprietary components which work across Mac models - it's all speculation at this point as nothing is known for sure.

    I personally hope for a classic Mac Pro-style refresh, and the Mac mini to return to using upgradable RAM and quad-core processors. So basically what the two products offered 4 years ago, before the downgrades disguised as upgrades.
     
  12. JMacHack macrumors 6502

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    I have my doubts that this will be the case. It would require a huge redesign of their entire lineup, all at the same time. Not to mention that Apple hasn't exactly been going in the direction of making all of their devices have customizable hardware. They'd have to design a case for the Mac mini, and iMac that are easily opened [insert Jony Ive screaming], and design hardware that's significantly different from existing hardware components just to do this.

    And on top of that, they would introduce internal competition between their products. An individual could theoretically purchase a Mac mini, and outfit it with Mac Pro parts. The last time the Mac Mini became competitive with another Mac, they gimped it and soldered the components, Apple's really anal about having defined product lines.

    Actually in a sense they had that concept with the nMP. 3rd party teardowns confirmed that individual parts could be removed. If Apple wanted to do what you described, they had the perfect opportunity with the trashcan (barring thermal limitations).

    No, it's far more likely that only the Mac Pro will be upgradeable and modular. The Mac mini and iMac will likely be un-upgradeable, and only have ram upgrades respectively.
     
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  14. sublunar macrumors 6502

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    Matthew Panzerino of TechCrunch was at that meeting too and he goes into some other detail. He quoted Phil Schiller as saying that notebooks were 80% of shipping Macs while desktops were 20%. These are stats that don't usually get released during other events so it's worth bearing in mind.

    Of course, the remaining 20% desktop has 3 lines with iMac clearly being top dog followed by the Mini and Mac Pro. Schiller also said the Mini has a place with consumers with some Pro usage. I have also speculated that Apple could be going modular to get top end Mac Mini users buying the entry level Pro and allow them to cost reduce the Mini with (even) slower parts [more energy efficient].

    As said elsewhere by many other including myself the Mini could have been speed-bumped at any time using the existing case design by using the non-touchbar Macbook Pro 15w Skylake CPUs to reduce the amount of SKUs they have to cater for.

    But we're at the point where Kaby Lake CPUs will be available soon and the Macbook has yet to be updated and I suspect Apple may want to update the Macbook Pro with the terraced battery they always intended to put in it before they had those problems.

    If we're then into 'modular' designs for the Mac Pro - and it's noted that the Apple executives chose their words extremely carefully - then we can expect people to speculate over exactly what modular means for the next 12-18 months.

    I'd suspect that repair costs and upgradability are a factor and Apple may still not want people to be able to put a third-party PC PCIe 3.0 16x GPU into a 2018 Mac Pro. eGPU might have been a popular choice back there but a Thunderbolt 3 external GPU solution would mean more noise, huge expense, and ultimately limited bandwidth (using a powerful AMD Vega GPU and then crippling it with a 4x PCIe 3 solution costing 4x the price of putting a PC card into a 16x PCIe 3.0 slot in a workstation is just foolish). Or does modular mean they are looking into Oculink?

    Yes, Apple don't want noisy cards ruining a Mac Pro, they don't want people flashing the ROM on an AMD VEGA GPU so you don't have to buy your pricey upgrade from them from day 1. But the alternative is (nervously) buying a proprietary solution.

    In terms of modern PC design, they may well go back to a mini tower, but something with sound deadening and air filters to maintain the ultra silence under load rather than the old cheese grater design because they'll be looking at potentially cooling an AMD VEGA FURY with multi-core Xeon CPUs (yes, back to multi CPU offerings?) for top end users.

    It's a pity that Apple can't make anything of the existing 2013 Mac Pro design going forward with just one GPU due to the triangular heat sink needing equalised heat on all three sides.




    Here's a few things that will make a 2018 Mac Pro worth considering:

    Coffee Lake consumer Intel CPUS are out next year - 6 core i7 CPUs with hyper threading, 4 core with hyper threading i5, maybe even 4 core i3. This is Intel's reaction to AMD Ryzen and I think Apple have had to react with the unusual briefing because those extra cores could have caused Pro users to jump ship forever within 12-18 months. I expect iMacs to have these as options too.

    PCI Express 4.0 specification could be finalised and ready to roll next year. If Thunderbolt 4 appears and can drive an 8K screen with a single TB4 cable that might be a reason behind the mentioned return of an Apple branded display.

    For internal graphics, maybe Apple would use an existing but little known connector standard just to be awkward?

    Optane SSD is available with Kaby Lake configurations, potentially an option with high end iMac or Macbook Pros later this year due to price so an obvious option for the 2018 Mac Pro.

    AMD VEGA GPUs arrive later this year. They supposedly support PCIe 4.0 as well.
     
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    Ten bucks says Apple takes Optane and makes a proprietary variation of it :) Burn!
     
  16. sublunar macrumors 6502

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    From the Tech Crunch transcript:

    John Paczkowski (BuzzFeed): What about the Mac Mini? It hasn’t come up once yet. Is there a reason?

    Phil Schiller: On that I’ll say the Mac Mini is an important product in our lineup and we weren’t bringing it up because it’s more of a mix of consumer with some pro use. So we’re focusing today specifically on the things that are important to pros. While there are some pro usage, there’s also a lot of consumer uses so we aren’t covering it today. The Mac Mini remains a product in our lineup, but nothing more to say about it today.

    If we haven’t communicated that, we have a lot of people working on the Mac — a lot of really brilliant people invested in great new products in both infrastructure and people — then we haven’t done our job here today because we do have a lot of resources on the Mac, and that’s gonna stay.

    From Piker Alpha:

    "Aha. The next Mac mini won’t be so mini anymore. Well. The top model that is."

    He's also putting out stories of what could effectively be an iMac Pro coming with Xeon CPUs later this year, we could be seeing a "Pro" iMac filling what could be a 2 year gap to the modular Mac Pro (mMP as it's being dubbed by some folks in the Mac Pro forum.)

    For me, the remark about the Mini 'top model' is a strange one. It implies a return to spending a bit more on R&D on the range - if they decide they can bring back a quad core model could they also add the GPU that accompanies it on the 15" Macbook Pros?
     
  17. Midgetinabikini macrumors regular

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    All I need is MM with modern CPU and SSD, don't care about GPU, don't care about how it looks. I JUST WANT TO WORK!!!!
     
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  19. fokmik macrumors 68000

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    "saying that notebooks were 80% of shipping Macs while desktops were 20%"
    its logic since the mac mini gets no updates for years...mac pro for years...only the imac and this too is over 1 year old
    laptops i bet from those 80% 25% are the current MBP, 20-30% 12" macbook and the rest the old genration.
    So lets not compare a notebook category that was updated with 12" MB and since october the new MBP, while the desktops there are no updates for years
     
  20. Canado, Apr 7, 2017
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    You know what? It helps to complain or as we say, speak your mind and write directly to Phil and Tim.
    What did I do?
    I wrote them, that I will hang on my 4s until they release another 4inch model and I will buy it asap and stay in the eco system. After the iPhone SE was released I bought it.

    Now, I still use my Macbook Pro 2009 which I bought because of university. Now I don't need the form factor. I am desktop wise in the same corner as this member wrote.

    What will I do? As soon as Apple releases a Mac mini with decent graphics and quadcore processor I will buy it. There is no "cannibalization" as I would never buy an iMac (I love my Dell monitor) and never buy a laptop which lid is closed 90% of the time. I would just have to stick with windows for a few years until apple understands his customers again. But I think they cracked the code again and are listening! So write emails to them with your iCloud mail, as a verified apple customer.
     
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    Why would anyone buy a Mini with a huge display taped irreversibly to its top side?
    -Baffling.
     
  22. Po Dameron macrumors newbie

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    I think ryzen + Polaris is a great fit for the top end Mac mini. Much lower thermals and cheaper than intel.
     
  23. munakib, Apr 11, 2017
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    I am not sure how everyone here are thinking it is a "good news." This only sounds to me that there will be no updates to the mini, they will keep it as is - Apple always over markets its hardware, to them the mini's current i7 can be categorized as a "pro" to fool casual users to feel they are getting a blazing fast machine. Apple usually explicitly teases us about any upcoming upgrades as they did with the MP - not the case with MM.
     
  24. Boyd01, Apr 11, 2017
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    I tend to agree, the "good news" is about an iMac update soon, then (maybe) a Mac Pro update in a year or two. Schiller said they had a "two prong" desktop strategy that consisted of the iMac and Pro. The Mini did not make his list. Ars Technica just did an article on "The Future of Apple's Desktops" and there is no mention of the Mini, just the Pro and iMac. https://arstechnica.com/apple/2017/...e-imac-pro-and-the-future-of-apples-desktops/
     
  25. now i see it macrumors 65816

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    Yeah this thread title is wrong. If anything, that Mac Pro meeting rang a death knell to the pitiful mini.
     

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