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Scotland Launches Contact Tracing App With Apple and Google API
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Please go read the spec and then provide a list of ways in which privacy can be compromised in the system actually implemented, not in some straw man system that you’ve made up.
My understanding is that all of these apps are a busted flush with too many problems (technical and human) to mention. The UK govt has realised no apps will be world beating, let alone theirs, and that there is little point in having one, as thing stand. For Sturgeon, the rush to adopt NI's version is purely political, just like everything else she does.
It does exactly what it says on the tin, it was Northern Ireland that did 90% of the work, and it uses the Apple / Google API (which is privacy to its core).
The app works perfectly fine on my iPhone X, and had a very straightforward setup. Nearly 600,000 people have downloaded it - if it helps even a little, then surely it's worth it?
And I wholeheartedly agree about Queen Nicola's political motivations.
Empress Nicola! /s
England and Wales app is due on the 24th, probably based on the NI one too. The initial app they where developing was a data harvesting exercise and they thought they could strong-arm Apple and Google into having be always running in the background. Apple and Google went ahead and built their API regardless of the wishes of one country and now these new apps are running on said API.
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Therein lies the rub - If you try to hold Sturgeon & co to account, you're ridiculed. Not such inclusive behaviour for a supposedly compassionate party, whatever did happen to the SNP listening exercise a few years back?
I don't give 2 hoots about what is happening elsewhere other than in Scotland, but constantly running comparisons with England gets tedious after a while and I don't see the relevance. Scotland has a significant number of devolved powers not being used.
A few weeks back after Nicola's statement about eradicating Covid, it got worldwide coverage. It wasn't because of anything the SNP did (although she took credit for it), it's just they were 'fortunate' to have lower figures compared to the rest of the UK.
I personally knew people who have died through this.
The deaths in care homes can be squarely placed at the SNP door.
Now we have one of the highest death rates compared to all other populous of comparative size, out comes the talk of indyref mk 2.
I've seen higher comparison studies used in shampoo commercials than the basis of the mandate they're using to call for it.
The SNP have form when it comes to saying one thing & doing another, it's just that most of their supporters can't see past the freedumb mentality.
But hey, go on make a joke out of a soundbite, action is needed not words.
(& cynical as I ever am, I would bet that the Scottish tracing app was launched a week prior to when England's is supposedly meant to be, but that'll be a coincidence I guess?)
I’m not saying you’re right (or wrong). But the app has been released. It should be about that. Instead were arguing about the SNP. Because at ANY given opportunity it turns into a rant about wee Jimmie Crankie who wants to be Queen Nicola. The English app thread should be about that app. Not a Boris pro or anti wank fest.
But don’t worry - instead of celebrating we’re getting these apps, let’s question why it came out before England. Couldn’t possibly be that it was ready first. Has to be political. Because Adolf Sturgeon can’t do anything without it being about the UK...despite continually downplaying the political aspects of it when questions by the Scottish Tories in parliament.
Nicola: Here’s an app to save lives
You: THIS IS POLITICAL. FREEDUM SUPPORTERS CANT SEE PASSED THIS.
Nae bother pal.
But don’t worry - instead of celebrating we’re getting these apps, let’s question why it came out before England. Couldn’t possibly be that it was ready first. Has to be political. Because Adolf Sturgeon can’t do anything without it being about the UK...despite continually downplaying the political aspects of it when questions by the Scottish Tories in parliament.
Nicola: Here’s an app to save lives
You: THIS IS POLITICAL. FREEDUM SUPPORTERS CANT SEE PASSED THIS.
Nae bother pal.
Think you'll find I never brought up the subject of Indy/Politics on this board. I've only responded to other's posts.
But again to question it and you're met with mockery, bit like your comments and pic & drop the Hitler stance like so many others do, I find it sickening.
At no point have I said I haven't downloaded the app, but again what has taken the time & money to 'develop' an app that launched in Northern Ireland and most other countries MONTHS ago?
The SNP have form when it comes to data, like how they've given Google's Deepmind complete access to patient records both historic and present.
But you know, let's celebrate the app, let's not ask why it's taken so long to introduce and involved external contractors at great expense for a reskinned Apple/Google api, let's not question anything, in fact why have discussion, let's just accept what we've been told.
Sure maybe the app was released as soon as it was ready, or maybe rushed out the door within a week of England's supposed launch date for Scotland not to look bad, who knows if any of this will get answered.
But hey, knock yourself out with your 'witty' big man comments, The app's been launched, download it, end of conversation, why even have a thread?
I'm going to be blunt here - you don't get to throw terms like "freedum mentality" around unironically, and simultaneously "find it sickening" when someone mocks how Nicola Sturgeon is treated. "Oh that is so offensive, I should call them dumb". Cake, eat it. Or maybe a better analogy would be having free trade and Brexit.
Once again, you're not wrong with your points on the SNP (you seem to think I'm 100% pro SNP, when in reality I have said nothing of the sort). You're especially not wrong regarding the Google Deepmind patient access. But given we're on a tech board, and we all know and understand how the Google/Apple ENS respects privacy, you should also know that this app isn't collecting any data. So...is that just another wild stab at the SNP there? Shall we talk about their poor record tackling drug abuse too? Because it is poor, and equally irrelevant to the topic at hand. Seems like someone has an agenda here.
Also note that Scottish government released the app before England had announced the release date of their app. So unless you think the British Gov is feeding the Scottish Gov information, purely designed to make the UK Gov look bad, I'm not sure how Queen Nicola was meant to know this.
The Scottish Government hasn't been great at the COVID situation. But not everything they do is being done to embarrass Boris. Releasing an app to protect the population is about keeping people safe. If England looks bad because it was even slower than an already slow Scotland, then that's on England. It isn't Scotlands responsibility to be even worse just to keep Westminster from looking even more incompetent than they already do.
**** me. Only in the UK could we have tadgers who get upset when someone releases a privacy respecting app designed to save peoples lives.
Once again, you're not wrong with your points on the SNP (you seem to think I'm 100% pro SNP, when in reality I have said nothing of the sort). You're especially not wrong regarding the Google Deepmind patient access. But given we're on a tech board, and we all know and understand how the Google/Apple ENS respects privacy, you should also know that this app isn't collecting any data. So...is that just another wild stab at the SNP there? Shall we talk about their poor record tackling drug abuse too? Because it is poor, and equally irrelevant to the topic at hand. Seems like someone has an agenda here.
Also note that Scottish government released the app before England had announced the release date of their app. So unless you think the British Gov is feeding the Scottish Gov information, purely designed to make the UK Gov look bad, I'm not sure how Queen Nicola was meant to know this.
The Scottish Government hasn't been great at the COVID situation. But not everything they do is being done to embarrass Boris. Releasing an app to protect the population is about keeping people safe. If England looks bad because it was even slower than an already slow Scotland, then that's on England. It isn't Scotlands responsibility to be even worse just to keep Westminster from looking even more incompetent than they already do.
**** me. Only in the UK could we have tadgers who get upset when someone releases a privacy respecting app designed to save peoples lives.
I get you're no fan of NS/SNP, I didn't say you were/weren't, what I strongly object to is the use of Nazi comparisons & the constant referral to it by all folk, it has no place in modern-day politics or otherwise, I couldn't give a toss if you said politicians are self-serving expense leeching rockets, u get no objection from me.
Yes, I get Apple/Google's privacy stance & for that I applaud them working together.
I'm not on a SNP witch hunt, but as I've said, I didn't bring up the subject of Indy on this board, others have done that, I've just responded.
Of course Scotgov are aware with regards to timelines etc the devolved administration does work together with UK Gov you know despite the rhetoric.
Be very aware that all that'll be remembered and persistently used as propaganda is who had it first between the 2, no questions asked about why it took so long and cost so much.
These fsckers leading ScotGov have form when it comes to pulling fast ones as you've agreed with, all the while seeming unaccountable and untouchable.
You're right, yes we're on a tech board & it's the app that should be discussed. There's not much they can get from the API as I'm grateful it's been locked down & IP addresses are seemingly deleted when used, but on the T&C's you have to agree to, there's a wee comment about giving your consent to having your info transferred to a 3rd party at a future stage, what's that when it's at home and why is it there if they aren't collecting anything, no other explanation is given?
I'm using the app as the positives outweigh the negatives, but the only tadgers are the ones wholeheartedly and blindly accept stuff just because they're being told and blame others when the inevitable tits-up occurs.
Me? I question everything.