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are we now going to be subjected to these posts just like the "I wish Steve were here" whining? Wonderful.
So we can have ugly skeuomorphic designs back? No thanks...
No. On WWDC 2006 he was responsible at Leopard and he makes demos (like Craig Federighi now). Maybe he was even responsible for Leopard-like design (2007-2013)
Nope. skeuomorphic designs are crap. He was arrogant, and responsible for that POS apple maps.
He's best left out of Apple.
He's best left out of Apple.
Why? I'll take Craig Federighi over him any day. Craig seems down to earth and not arrogant at all.
Because flat gawdy gradients are more intuitive and aesthetically pleasing? Forstall cannot be held responsible for the data in Maps, just the app which is/was outstanding.
He was arrogant? You mean like Steve Jobs? Surely that can't be good for Apple /s
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He co-produced a Broadway play a couple years ago.
And he probably spends a lot of time counting his $50 million.
yeah right... App store "Ive & kids" vs "Forstall & grown-up"
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You can spout as many adjectives as you want, but photorealism in a good form (like the App Store icon above) is implicit and conveys an idea of what it is. The flat design is mostly explicit, it feels abstract and empty.
Forstall said that he also didn’t like some extreme use cases for photorealism, but it was the HIG back then and at least they had some rules. Looking at how Apple implemented dark mode in Mojave and applies flat UI guidelines across macOS and apps is utter joke and borders on complete disregard of usability.
I think Scott is the next closest personality to Steve Apple had. He could polarize people but he got stuff done to a fine level of detail.
Apple maps was doomed no matter who owned it. How can you compete with Google who have been mapping for so long and think you can release a product and it be perfect? Mapping the planet isn't a simple thing. People focus on this one event and not at all the good he did. It's human nature to magnify the negatives.
Apple Maps was just the excuse for Cook to get rid of Forstall, it was a power play pure and simple. Forstall pissed off too many people and while Jobs could get away with it, Forstall couldn't so he had no one in his corner.
As if, should Scott come back to Apple NOW he would still use the popular design language from a decade ago...lol, do you think he is not aware of basic design trends? You all blame Scott for Skeuomorphic design when it was simply the design motif of the time, across all tech companies. Also, a bit "less flat" is emerging as the latest style. 10 years from now we may have a different version of not-flat design that is popular. I would like to see YOUR icon or UI designs from 2008!
I wish we'd have "non-flat" right now. I'm tired of not being able to tell which window is focused on my Mac, or having to turn on all of the accessibility options to make things easier to see on an iPhone despite having otherwise perfectly good vision.
Why Scott?
1. Tech oriented. (Masters in Comp Sci from Stanford)
2. He seemed to "care" about the tech
3. He did great presentation
4. He was capable of persuading Steve Jobs
1. Tech oriented. (Masters in Comp Sci from Stanford)
2. He seemed to "care" about the tech
3. He did great presentation
4. He was capable of persuading Steve Jobs
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I was a bit extatic last year when I saw the WWDC banners as I secretly hoped for UI redesign along with black UI... but as you say, this is a perfect marriage of photorealism with flat UI and some perspective.
You can bet your bottom dollar Forstall is not coming back. Even if they asked him, I think he’s moved on. Not that I wouldn’t like to see what he could do.
That said, are you guys really so dense you believe that bringing back Scott would automatically mean the return of skuemorphism? Or do you just like setting up straw-men so you can knock them down? Either way, poor play.
That said, are you guys really so dense you believe that bringing back Scott would automatically mean the return of skuemorphism? Or do you just like setting up straw-men so you can knock them down? Either way, poor play.