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Search Warrant For Lost Next-Generation iPhone Ordered Unsealed

dagomike said:
Selling stolen goods is a crime as is buying. That would seem a part of their investigation. Just because you commit a crime and write about doesn't mean you're immune from the law.



Your wonder invention isn't going to sell several million units with many global competitors benefiting from its theft.

As the dollar value and hype of the crime increases, so does the interest in law enforcement. Pretty simple stuff.
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The law does not exist to protect a company's revenue streams, sorry.
 
:( Every time I see the new iPhone I can't help being a bit disappointed at its unattractive design that goes contrary to ergonomics. Likely the full specs will appear "amazing" but the design is no more inspired than a round cornered brick.

I keep hoping that these prototypes are intentionally released so when the "real" iPhone is released we will be even more pleasantly surprised.
 
I wonder if Apple can avoid this whole thing once the new phone is released. I guess Steve could say "You may have heard we have a new iPhone to show you.."
 
ktappe said:
In THEORY (yes, a loaded concept), the DA is representing us, the people. I don't know too many of us who want our attorney lying so that we the people are kept from information we want. ie. You're saying that one's lawyer is paid to lie for their client but "our" DA is lying against our interests. So I still see a difference....
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In theory yes, in practice no. The DA's client in this case is Apple, not the people. Apple is putting a lot of pressure on the DA's office and the police force to prosecute Jason Chen and whomever sold the phone originally. Pressure that ordinary citizens cannot exert.
 
djrobsd said:
You know, while Steve Jobs is so busy prosecuting reporters and protecting the secrecy of his precious products, Bill & Melinda gates are out in the world fighting poverty.. Maybe Steve should find something better to do then bullying around a reporter.
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Wow. Stop posting, please.

Maybe, if you care so much for the impoverished, you should be out donating all your resources and time to help in whatever way possible instead of wasting time online posting nonsense about what OTHER PEOPLE should be doing. Get a grip.

Steve Jobs is the head of a major company looking after a million things at once. What charities he supports, and how much support he gives, is entirely his business and no one else's.
 
koach said:
The reason people are so bent out of shape about this is because this is further proof that our country has become a corporatocracy.

If I had lost my phone (my personal phone or even some invention I was creating in my garage as part of my plan to create a new product and start a company), and someone found/bought it and returned it back to me, I PROMISE that there would be no police investigation like this. They wouldn't be issuing search warrants, busting down doors, sealing court documents.

Corporations have more privileges than ordinary citizens with none of the responsibility. A lot of people like myself are tired of it. But as long as our government is bought and paid for by lobbying and campaign contributions, it will never change.
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I don't think it's as much apple or corporations having "power" over the police, but more that this is a media circus and the police don't want to look like they aren't doing their job. We have the same rights, but apparently we are puny ants that can't put the police on the spot. If you want someone to blame, blame the media who refuse to help the little guy out because they think it won't get them the viewership.
 
Kwill said:
:( Every time I see the new iPhone I can't help being a bit disappointed at its unattractive design that goes contrary to ergonomics. Likely the full specs will appear "amazing" but the design is no more inspired than a round cornered brick.
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Would you prefer a tetrahedron?
 
koach said:
Apple is putting a lot of pressure on the DA's office and the police force to prosecute Jason Chen and whomever sold the phone originally. Pressure that ordinary citizens cannot exert.
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Got a link for that statement?
 
Shin3r said:
I don't think it's as much apple or corporations having "power" over the police, but more that this is a media circus and the police don't want to look like they aren't doing their job. We have the same rights, but apparently we are puny ants that can't put the police on the spot. If you want someone to blame, blame the media who refuse to help the little guy out because they think it won't get them the viewership.
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And by media, you mean Gizmodo who is keeping itself front and center for the page views.
 
koach said:
The law does not exist to protect a company's revenue streams, sorry.
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No, it exists to prosecute those who break the law, such as is the case being investigated currently. You people are angry at the wrong corporation (Apple), you really should be angry with the Police force, because you know that we wouldn't get the same attention. But that doesn't make Apple the bad guy, it just means that our police force sucks. I would want the same attention if my property was stolen. It seems the police is only interested in doing their due diligence when there is a risk of them looking bad. So much for protect and serve, which has slowly been degrading for a long period of time now.
 
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Not even work.
The guy was a reporter and so is protected under the LAW from those types of searches and seizures.
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Reporters are so protected. But it is not yet firmly established that bloggers are reporters.

Court rulings to follow. An interesting case, as pretty much anyone can become a blogger, so at what point do you draw the line? Stay tuned.
 
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Not even work.
The guy was a reporter and so is protected under the LAW from those types of searches and seizures. Giz knew it and they were prepared.
Lets just hope the police get smacked back in their place and the government takes note that people will not sit idly by while their liberties are trampled over for corporate greed under the guise of copyright protection, dmca, or any other BS.
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No, they're protected under law from revealing sources. This is totally different and falls within the law. This search (supposedly) had nothing to do with the source.
 
koach said:
The amount of potential money should have nothing to do with it.
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It has everything to do with it! If you report that someone stole your knitting needle that you bought for $1 at the corner store, the police won't care. If you report a one of a kind $10000 diamond was stolen, they will care. The value of the object stolen, or the value of the damage done, has everything to do with theft and robbery.

The bonus to this is that IP has value that can not be returned. The cost of making the prototype is nothing to Apple. It's the IP that is of value. And this has the added bonus of bordering on espionage, not petty theft because someone needed to score some crack.
 
koach said:
The law does not exist to protect a company's revenue streams, sorry.
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A companies revenue stream is at the individual level income. You are robbing an individual, many individuals, of value. The law is certainly in place to protect such a thing.
 
inlovewithi said:
You're the 2nd person to comment, you're getting defensive, nobody has said that there's a problem with Apple reporting it. It's just a corporation, no need to lose to get worked up in their defense.
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Getting defensive of what? It's not my phone.

I just don't think this is a big deal. I'd like some real Apple news.
 
Gasu E. said:
Reporters are so protected. But it is not yet firmly established that bloggers are reporters.
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Reporters are protected with respect to revealing their sources. They are not protected if they engage in criminal acts themselves.

And it really doesn't matter if bloggers are reporters in this instance.
 
aliebel said:
You must not have enough faith in your local law enforcement. Granted if someone takes your phone and you have no idea whom took it; they probably arent going to be able to assist you very much.

But like in this case, you have evidence of someone (Chen) being in possesion of what believed to be your property (the prototype) and you take that to the detectives they will follow up on that and could lead to warrants etc. Which is what they did. I have seen it work for people I know, and you also see internet dramas unfold with real life actions all the time e.g. That lost sidekick story from a couple years ago. The guy was no one not a corporation, but had some leads and was persistant.

It's funny to see people say that Apple is some big juggernaut that influences anything they want too. Why don't you just see it for what it is, the police doing their job. I can't say anything to the supposed discrepancies in the search warrant. We will find out about that soon enough.
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You would have a point if he hadnt already returned the phone.... What was the point after the fact... that wouldnt happen for the average person.....
 
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