Second hand Apple Mac Pro 5.1 2.8Ghz Quad Core

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by lantree, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. lantree macrumors member

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    Hi guys I have the option of picking one of these up in the UK for around £1300, is this still good value for money or a total rip off ? The machine comes with 10 GB ram and the Radeon 5770 graphics card. If go for this option at some point I will be upgrading it's CPU to the hex core, adding a SSD, usb3 card and a better gfx card.

    I'm still not 100% sure if this is a good idea, would I be better off waiting to see how the new machine is when it's released or take the plunge now. :confused:
     
  2. applegeek897 macrumors regular

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    Not sure about there, but here in Australia they go for like $1800 still I think that is a fair price but it is a Mac Pro so expect to spend a bit more. Go for it, great for the expandability.
     
  3. Studio K macrumors 6502

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    That is about 2000 USD. That might be a bit much for a quad-core. The 2.8 was the entry-level processor option, I believe.
    It is a 2010 model, which adds to the cost, no doubt.

    Perhaps you could look for a 2009 4,1 entry-level (2.66 quad-core). They cost half the money and less. Use the money you'll save to buy your hex-core processor and graphics card straight away.

    Just transform it into a 2010 model by flashing the ROM with the firmware utility everyone's been using. You'll need to do that before adding the hex-core cPu.
     
  4. The-Pro macrumors 65816

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  5. lantree thread starter macrumors member

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    Thanks for this never though of going this direction, I will let you guys know how it goes over the weekend. :)
     
  6. Studio K macrumors 6502

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    I bought a 2009 4,1 quad-core from eBay just this past April for $900 shipped. That's only 600 pounds. I've seen them for as little as $800 recently (that's the set price---no bidding).

    A 6-core w3680 costs around $600, but a 3670 is less.

    Converting your 2009 into a 2010 is free of charge. As far as I know, the 2 models share the same hardware.

    Best of luck.
     
  7. Umbongo macrumors 601

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    Just as others have said, it's too expensive and you may as well look for a 2009 model. Probably won't find one much cheaper, but may as well keep your eye out. £1,000 should be the most you pay to get one.

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    They were more expensive here (£2000/$3,000) and there are far, far, fewer on the used market so prices are more.
     
  8. Studio K macrumors 6502

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    Do you mean £2000 for a 5,1 Mac pro? Is that new or used?

    Sorry, I did not consider the possible pricing differences between the US and UK. But......if he can find a 4,1 at £1000, then that's nicer than paying £1300.
     
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  10. lantree thread starter macrumors member

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    Deal done

    Managed to get one for just over £900 including free p&p.

    Full machine specs
    Apple Mac Pro Desktop, 2.66 Quad Core, March 2009
    640GB 7200 RPM Hard Disk Drive
    6GB DDR3 Memory
    Nvidia GeForce GT120
    Super Drive :cool: (still need this for burning music for the car)
    OSX Mountain Lion 10.8.2

    When the machine lands I will let you guys know how I'm getting on with it, once again thanks to you guys for your help with this today
     
  11. Studio K macrumors 6502

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    Fantastic! I'm happy you found one at a better price.

    A stock, entry-level 2009 is so easy to transform into a top-of-the-line 2010 hex. And the RAM for these machines is relatively inexpensive, as well.
     
  12. Umbongo macrumors 601

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    New price on a Mac Pro 5,1 was £1,999.
     
  13. Mac Hammer Fan macrumors 6502

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    And now the firmware hack 5,1 and a Intel Xeon Hex 3.33 and you will have a screaming beast.;)
     
  14. lantree thread starter macrumors member

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    Update

    Just to let you guys know the machine landed today on my door step, today never expected the size of the box :eek:. After giving a quick clean inside I've updated it's firmware to 5,1 (thanks netkas for this). Added a samsung 250gb SSD as the main drive and turned the old hard drive as an internal time machine. The machines memory has been upgraded 16 gig. When the bank account recovers then it will time time to start looking around for a hex core cpu.

    Anyway just posting to say thanks for all the advice you guys have given me in this last week.
     
  15. Studio K macrumors 6502

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    That was fast. It was only last Saturday you were looking to buy one.
    And it's already been flashed. Very exciting. I hope this works out well for you.
    Enjoy.
     
  16. Omnius macrumors 6502a

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    In the US, $1300-$1500 is the ballpark for that pro. As far as whether thats worth it, tough to say.
     
  17. RoastingPig macrumors 68000

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    Los Angeles Craigslist 700
    ebay 1000-1300
    refurbished 1800

    total parts value like 600
     
  18. Studio K macrumors 6502

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    I'd like to ask a favor. When you've got time....if you would please run some stress-tests on your CPU. I'd like to know what kind of temperatures you'll see. 'Temperature Monitor' is a good free app to use for viewing your cpu diode and core temps.
    To stress-test the CPU, launch the Terminal and enter the following: yes > /dev/null &

    Do several of these....about 6 instances. That should nearly max out your cores. And watch your temps in Temperature Monitor.
    I want to compare what I'm seeing on my 2009 (flashed to 5,1) with someone elses machine.

    To stop the stress test, type......killall yes (in Terminal).

    Thanks.
     
  19. lantree thread starter macrumors member

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    Hope this is a help to you
     
  20. Studio K macrumors 6502

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    Thank you for posting that. It was very helpful. You are getting the same temperatures that I am getting.
    I assume that you are still using the original 2.66 cpu that came with the machine. I never tested mine with the 2.66---only monitored the temps after replacing it with the 3.2 cpu.
    But your results look similar to mine: Tdiode in the low-to-mid 80's and cores in the 90's.
    This indicates that this might be the way these machines were intended to operate. It seems a bit hot to me, but the fans just refuse to speed up until the cores reach the mid-upper 90's. Then they just try to hold the temps a few degrees below 100C.
    I believe the 2010's use a modified SMC version that provides better cooling/lower temps. Flashing a 2009 to 2010 does not change the SMC, though. So we still operate with 2009 temperatures.
    If you feel like it, watch your fan speeds when pushing the CPU. The Intake, Exhaust, and BOOST should begin to rise at some point.
     
  21. Studio K macrumors 6502

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    At what temperature does your CPU diode and cores show when idling?

    I am showing 42C at idle.
     
  22. lantree thread starter macrumors member

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    Mine holds around 40C at idle, I gave the machine a little test today by loading in my old starcraft 2 / diablo 3 games thinking lets see if I can get this machine to fall over. The CPU went up to around 53C and levelled off there, these machines are built like bricks and they do deserve there Pro title.
     
  23. macmesser macrumors 6502a

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    About a year ago I picked up an '09 2.6 quad core w/4GB RAM (using it now) for around $1000 on eBay. A few scratches and abrasions where it was mounted. (Flashed it to 5,1 and upgraded it with boot SSD and 32GB RAM. It's fast.) I'd say unless prices have risen on used Mac Pros since then your price may have been a little steep. But it depends on a lot of variables- RAM, cosmetics, HD, keyboard and mouse included, usage, installed OS and disks.
     
  24. drayon macrumors 6502

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    where is this firmware utility that has been mentioned a million times in a million threads but no-one says exactly what and where it is.
     
  25. Studio K macrumors 6502

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    To find it.....just Google 'Netkas Firmware'. Select the first thing that comes up.

    Then Register to join the forum. Choose a 'complicated' password or else you may not hear back from them with the registration link.

    Once registered and signed in, you can download the utility.....it's located at the first post on that page you came to when googling 'netkas firmware'.
     

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