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Security Researchers Express Alarm Over Apple's Plans to Scan iCloud Images, But Practice Already Widespread
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You seemed to have suggested that it has never occurred, so how do we know the odds. I am saying how would we know if it never occurred? It could flag false positives all the time and not be reported.
This is the real issue, even before privacy.
So not true. If you have never been falsely accused, you have no idea the horror of being falsely accused of something as sinister as child pornography or sexual abuse. Pray it never happens to you.
Well talk that to people in oppressive governments. “Wrong” can be very subjective. Speaking ill of your government can get you arrested ie that Olympic athlete from Belarus.
It’s not limited to government though. Anyone with an agenda, a contact with the gov to obtain your search history, and some funding can crowdsource an enraged mob these days and do worse harm than a malicious government ever could.
The masses can have some alarming incomplete opinions depending on how they perceive a query being presented to them. Go ask 100 random people a slight variation of a simple question of what punishment should await people who spread “COVID vaccine lies”, and you’ll see just how swiftly we can rationalize loading people onto cattle cars again.
I’ve seen that occasionally with European visitors in the US. I think they may be looking for specific images, so this may not be an issue. Still, I don’t trust those building the hashes not to include photos that are not cases of abuse or that someone won’t do the equivalent of swatting you by maliciously finding a way to do a photo dump. If the bad guys know about this they won’t use it anyway. There has got to be a better way without invading privacy.
They are looking for specific images (or rather their hash)
Child porn creeps pass around collections of existing material that the “authorities” have already documented and have their digital fingerprint on databases.
The system would likely NOT notice new images.
The system is looking for the hashes matching that of known child porn collections from legit “old fashioned police work” busts (I.e. the Genius Bar worker calls the cops after stumbling across very obvious CP on creepy old guy’s computer).
Vacationing Europeans should not worry, but should obviously have enough self awareness to not take similar pictures in the USA, or face some form of public confrontation.
Note that the in the above example, it’s not a stretch to replace the search for the signature of known child exploitation images with a search for hashes of specific pictures of say a compromised Hunter Biden, and have all of those suddenly disappear... next extrapolate this scenario to searching for the signature of pictures with digital currency wallets encoded in them, and things get real fun!
Exciting times, huh?
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They are looking for multiple images which would make it less likely. However I’m still not comfortable with this. It could be weaponized, it could contain photos that fall in to societal norms of some places (Europe), it could lead to a slippery slope of including more types of images, etc
Dear Tim,
How can I stop Pegasus uploading a bunch of bad photos to my phone, thus killing off my Apple ID?
How can I stop Pegasus uploading a bunch of bad photos to my phone, thus killing off my Apple ID?
I wonder if it is Apple trying to appease the powers that be as they resist handing over decryption capacity.
I'm not sure what to make of this. It makes me very uneasy.
Why?
I have a four-year-old boy and very often he will spend much of his time without clothes on around the house as small children do (we live in a very warm part of the world in the summer). He often chooses not to wear swim shorts in our pool and is quite happy in his birthday suit eating an ice-lolly at his nanny's home.
These photos are our private family photos. They are for my family only, and as somebody that does not publish a single photo of my child on social media, what does this mean for me, my wife, my son's grandparents?
Some so-called "agent" in another part of the world getting a trigger and able to view these photos and possibly put a mark on my family. (We all use iPhones).
There is something incredibly wrong with this. I'm not sure where to start with it all.
Why?
I have a four-year-old boy and very often he will spend much of his time without clothes on around the house as small children do (we live in a very warm part of the world in the summer). He often chooses not to wear swim shorts in our pool and is quite happy in his birthday suit eating an ice-lolly at his nanny's home.
These photos are our private family photos. They are for my family only, and as somebody that does not publish a single photo of my child on social media, what does this mean for me, my wife, my son's grandparents?
Some so-called "agent" in another part of the world getting a trigger and able to view these photos and possibly put a mark on my family. (We all use iPhones).
There is something incredibly wrong with this. I'm not sure where to start with it all.
Can you quote where the technical papers say this?
My understanding is it's looking for "nude photos". Where are the limits? This isn't simple hash searching. Plus, hashes can be easily manipulated.
When will they scan for gay porn in Saudi Arabia?
Or Anti-CCP material in China?
Bad rotten Apple.
There is only one solution: rigorous end to end encryption, also on their iCloud services.
Or Anti-CCP material in China?
Bad rotten Apple.
There is only one solution: rigorous end to end encryption, also on their iCloud services.
False positives are the issue.
Imagine like me, you have photos of your child, naked on your phone. Pretty much every parent I know has this. Kids get naked all the time. In the pools, doing something silly, in the bath, running around the house......it's hard to keep clothes on my boy. It's just the way children are.
You get tagged because there is plenty of "flesh" detected on your phone.
The next thing you know, armed agents are knocking down your door with guns (in the US), to your face and your entire community watches on.
After a short investigation which probably emotionally destroys your soul, you return to your family (probably under the eye of social services as a "precaution"), with your entire neighbourhood still watching you.
"What did he do?"
"Is he a paedo?"
"Does he abuse his child?"
"Oh I heard such and such and such....."
Rumours drift and gossip spreads. (People are generally ******s)
Your boss hears of this and the company feels it's "better for all" you leave your job.
Jobless, the entire neighbourhood spreading gossip, you're being monitored by social for every action you make (the school now knows), your life in ruin.....
But, at the core of it; You did nothing wrong.
You just took private photos of your beloved child and you ended up using an iPhone to do it.
Yup. No big deal.
This one;
In Europe, it’s customary to take family pictures of 10-year-old girls topless on the beach.
Your next iOS update will be about 100MB larger than it otherwise would be in order to accommodate the fuzzy/neural hashes of known CSAM photos. Which is nice.
Your definition of wrong might not match the law enforcement's definition.
Asking honestly, but does anyone have a good link explaining the link between possession of child porn and child sexual abuse behavior? Every once in a while I see news articles on these "raids" on dozens of adults possesing the porn but they never include any information on how many possessors are predators or if there is any evidence of a causal link between viewing and behavior.
Not the FBI, a non-profit advocacy organization outside of any electoral oversight.
But if Steve Jobs was living
He wouldn't let this be, no, no
Tim Cook, Craig crook
everybody gone bad🎼🎶🎶
He wouldn't let this be, no, no
Tim Cook, Craig crook
everybody gone bad🎼🎶🎶