OK but iPhones haven’t always been $250 more expensive than Galaxy’s. In fact the iPhone 7 started at $649, Galaxy S7 $669.
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Seems like the 8 exists because Apple can’t mass produce the X yet
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I just shelled out $950 for my husband's note 8 so yes, it may not be $999 but it's pretty close. So the S8 may be cheaper but Apple has the 7 & 8 to compete at those price points.
How does the 8 compete with the nearly bezel free S8? And is Apple marketing the X as a competitor to the Note? If so where is the Pencil support?
They likely make more money! Because not everyone wants to spend $1k on a phone. So if they’ve done most of the r&d with the iPhone 6/7 chassis, it’s idiotic not to sell it again with some upgrades.
Yes and also Apple is afraid of having it's sales numbers slip cause of the high price. They needed a cheaper "new phone" to offset the sales losses from people not being able to buy the expensive iPhone X.
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The reason they named it the 8 instead of the 7S is because of the Chinese market. The number 8 is considered a lucky number in China so much so that people will probably buy it by the boatload.
Exactly. Apple got in a hurry with X, so now we have back-up phone (model 8) and half-baked model X which is full of compromises (the Notch, fake wireless charge, probably the new Face ID is also somehow compromised).
They should have not released the X when it's clearly not a ready even for a mass production.
Fake wireless charging? Face ID somehow compromised? You have a lot of insinuations with no validation in your post. Not to mention, it's just a matter of you not agreeing with the latest iPhone X capabilities and features.
Also, read the last sentence of your post. You stated they should not Release the X when it's not ready for mass production, they didn't release the X, as it's in mass production. Also, is that supposed to be somehow dismissive of how well the iPhone X is going to sell? Likely not.
Did you watch the keynote? Apple were so ashamed of the fake wireless charge that they quickly skipped that section. They clearly weren't proud of it. If they were they would use a lot more time to explain it. Look, my point is: iPhone X is aesthetically and functionally compromised product. It simply wasn't quite ready for the release.
Another example, the audio: they mention that it has stereo speakers and a "better bass". That's it. No technical explanation or sign of being proud of it by going deeper into it. Just quick mention like that "wireless" charge. Then they quickly moved on to animojis which they give a plenty of time. How about the new OLED screen? Did they go deep into that? No. Just quick mention. That's it.
Apple used to be proud of even the smallest changes and very keen to explain those so that people understand the philosophy behind it. Now they are just releasing half-baked features which clearly aren't made to be perfect. The Notch is the perfect example of it.
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iPX has so many clear compromises that there is a good reason to believe that Face ID could be also somehow compromised. But that's fine with me because I'm not getting it, even for free.
I think you have a lot of disagreements, which clouds your reasoning for understanding why Apple does things the way they do based on your statement "I'm not getting it, even for free." Indicates to me, no matter what I say, you're going to deflect against it, because you don't agree with it. And Yet, you make more insinuation(s) about the wireless charging being a product Apple is not proud of and a product you deem Not ready for release because of its functionally comromised? Do You really think Apple would release a product that would jeopardize the consumers security and privacy based on something they spent an immense amount of time for research and development with Face ID? And you feel would it be compromise? Again, another assumption that you have no evidence proving otherwise, only state that you feel be compromised based on what exactly?
Apple did not spend a lot of time on the wireless charging aspect, because the primary focus was the iPhone X. Not to mention, but one was charging his name and available until 2018 AND it's an accessory to the iPhone.
Why would Apple spend a significant amount of time talking about the stereo speakers, when that's not even a new feature whenthat existed with the iPhone 7. When Apple re-introduce the new version of the iPad Pros back during WWDC in June, did they spend a lot of time talking about the stereo speakers then? No. And why should they? That doesn't mean that that you're not proud of one feature they didn't discuss. And the keynote moves at an accelerated pace, it's not something they have time to discuss every single feature.
The Purpose of the Aniemoji's was to demonstrate the effects of the camera, not the emoji's themselves.
They did discuss the OLED display, but I don't understand why they need to spend an immense amount of time on it. And we all know the purpose of the notch, which houses all the sensors which they discussed in detail for Face ID, which they did spend 15 minutes discussing their believes in the future of their security.
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Okay, we are looking at this with so differen't perspectives. The big picture is: Apple used to be a company that cared about the tiniest changes on their products. They also took time to explain the philosophy on every big changes they make. That's what separated them from other companies like Samsung. Now they are in par with others, or below by releasing something "new" just for the sake of it. And I totally understand it because thats what masses wants: a new things.
But that's not the path Steve Jobs would have wanted Apple to take: Releasing new things just because they can and not because they have a real passion for it.
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Answer these:
-the Notch, compromise or not?
-Qi charge, Apples final vision of wireless charge? Yes or No?
Those answers alone give me a reason to refuse wanting iPhone X, even for free.
You've been watching Apple long enough to understand that. Clearly Apple is using the X as a way to significantly bump up MSRP on its flagship model. It has nothing to do whether Apple can make enough Xs or not. It has to do with revenue growth in the face of flattening sales given how satiated the world marketplace is. The 8 exists to fill a hole in the price points. If the 8 did not exist those would be lost sales. Apple was never going to sell the X at the 8's price. We knew that from rumors going back 6 months and further.
Lots of companies offer products that cost less than Apples. What does that have to do with Apple's own price points?
To me it's not "fake" but it's also not what one would consider a truly wireless connection. The phone is still "connected" to the charger base, just in a different way. But this is a pointless semantic debate. I agree 100% with your theory on the iPhone 8 and pricing.
Here are a couple more things to consider, no inside information, just some theories:
1. This is the first OLED device outside of Apple Watch, so a much larger screen than before. On a device that probably significantly more users will purchase. Maybe Apple is padding a bit extra in case they run into the OLED devices having a higher defect/return rate. Others have already mentioned the cost of development and design, but things like this also factor into what the device cost is. That is another reason why iPhones have always cost $650+ when the component cost has been ~$100 or so.
2. Samsung makes the OLED displays for Apple. Samsung appears to be the only company that can currently do it anywhere close to the capacity Apple needs. I'm pretty sure Samsung charges itself less per screen than they do for Apple...
With some of the bad blood in the past between the companies I wouldn't put it past Samsung to have inflated the cost of the screens somewhat in order to made their own devices seem like a better value.Add these to some of the other issues already discussed.
But that is irrelevant. Apple could price most of it's products lower. The fact is it IS priced at $999. The iPhone 8 isn't a quick band-aid because Apple realized at the last moment it couldn't make enough Xs. It's design took time to develop along with the rest of the guts even if it looks pretty much like a 6 or 7. It was part of the plan not plan B. Apple has been jacking up prices since the 9.7 iPad Pro was released. Not sure why you are that shocked the next gen iPhone wouldn't get a jaw dropping price.