And because of that decision I’m refusing to reward them as a company. It’s not specific to EVs vs ICE for me, or even new vs used. I’m tired of companies like GM going out of their way to harvest more data for their “trusted partners” so I’m out.
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And because of that decision I’m refusing to reward them as a company. It’s not specific to EVs vs ICE for me, or even new vs used. I’m tired of companies like GM going out of their way to harvest more data for their “trusted partners” so I’m out.
And, one more thing to break/malfunction ( not to mention the data harvesting from GM lol ) and lock you out.. And, on a GM vehicle no less.. 🤮 ( as an unfortunate ex Escalade ESV - Platinum owner )
IMO a small key fob with buttons is the best way. The switchblade "keyless" fob was brilliant - compact without sacrificing the physical key. The idea that everything benefits from a phone app is marketing and fad that's already dying off as people get sick of having hundreds of apps for every little thing.
Do you ever have to use a valet to park? If so, what do you give the valet?
I understand this is an edge use case, but I would be concerned about finding myself downtown (30 minutes from home), my wife wants to use the valet to park, and I....um....can't?
So ridiculous
How is this easier than taking a key fob out of your pocket?
How is this easier than taking a key fob out of your pocket?
I’ve been using my phone for my Tesla for the past 6 years and it feels archaic to use car keys. Like in my jeep it’s ducking huge key! I’m liking the keyless life (except mail keys). I would want all future cars to use cellphones or nfc.
I have liked CarPlay and enjoyed having in my Ford vehicles in the past, but the easy of use with my Tesla - starting with NFC - has caused me to all but forget about CarPlay.
Sure, I’ll get my phone out and open the Tesla app - to turn on my AC or check on my dog. But not to open the door. 😂
Sure, I’ll get my phone out and open the Tesla app - to turn on my AC or check on my dog. But not to open the door. 😂
I used to be closed minded like this, too.
When you see/realize the limitations of CarPlay, you’ll come around.
Flipper can't "trivially" duplicate phone-as-a-key. It can become a *new* RF-based key, but you have to follow the normal "program a new key" process just as if it were actually another physical RF key fob. Can't replace phone-as-a-key by itself at all.
There is an attack vector that involves setting up a WiFi hotspot that claims to be a Tesla "guest network" - then the vehicle owner must log into their Tesla account - while being man-in-the-middle'd, and then the attacker could register a Flipper Zero as a new "phone key" as they have access to the account. https://www.techtimes.com/articles/...ero-hack-new-tactic-steal-phone-key-drive.htm
(Yes, I work in cybersecurity, and have participated in the "hack a Tesla" at the DEF CON automotive village - although never successfully.)
you're assuming that there's no asymmetric key-pair in this car key, which is like security 101 for building this type of solution. you will need a very sophisticated attack to hack apple's carkey implementation
You do not need to do anything with the app, the phone just stays in your pocket or purse. Ford introduced using your phone as a key on some vehicles quite a while ago (‘21 model year according to Google).
Older Ford vehicles had an app that could unlock the vehicle among other functions like remote start - my 2013 Focus had that. Handy in some cases, but you still needed the fob to drive the car.
In the case of Tesla, they give you a black NFC card to stick in your wallet for backup or valet, and you wave it at the door pillar to get in.
Ah, so to unlock your door, you have to use an app that Apple hijacks at any time they want to promote a movie with push notifications.
Gotcha, that sounds so much better than just using a key.
Gotcha, that sounds so much better than just using a key.
Cars have become far too disposable. Car Care Nut on YouTube has brilliant run through videos on typically reliable, low fuss Toyota’s. Easily the best manufacturer for overall cost of ownership IMO.
Thanks to recent actions by Tim Apple, I absolutely do not trust the company anymore.
Also, the shortcuts app "unlock/lock front door when I arrive/leave" doesn't work for isht, so I don't trust to use the phone as a car key either.
Oh lord. One of those ones that think I just need to be “enlightened” to think it’s smart to sell my data. 🙄
