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Meanwhile (in the US only) 15 pedestrians will be killed today by negligent human drives. 15 more will die tomorrow, 15 died yesterday and 15 die everyday. Why does no one care about that?

How many non robot cars on the road?

Seems to me the odds are still better for non robot cars.

I’m in favor of autonomous cars and say the sooner the better.

But now is too soon, the public roadways should not be for private tests; as we can see here.
 
Very sad. I have to wonder why the human behind the wheel failed to take over in this situation though. That's the point of testing with a human behind the wheel isn't it?

More than likely the human couldn’t have reacted fast enough anyway. This stuff happens quickly and usually without warning.
 
Sorry, but a woman killed in a weird vehicle accident in Tempe AZ only makes me think of Eleanor on The Good Place.
 
Maybe she shouldn’t have been crossing outside of a crosswalk area... but also the car and driver should have seen her
^^^agreed...without enough details its hard to know what happened - but in the case of Tesla - with sufficient distance the radar is able to detect the obstacle (car, human, bicycle, etc.) and stop safely

- see video of brave human tester
 
I mean, no amount of AI will be able to stop people throwing themselves in front of cars. Should be investigated if the car had sufficient space to stop safely and only if it had, they can blame the autonomous driving. Otherwise it's a witch hunt.

It’s facinating given how many people are killed by manned cars every year - just one death from an autonomous car will be a huge strike against autonomous cars in general.

In other words: if you put the collective driving intelligence of all mankind into an autonomous driving system, it still wouldn’t be good enough - even 1 death is too many for people to see it as “equal” to manned cars.
 
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Good old driverless car fantasy. Billions wasted on a vanity project that will never happen. Good luck with that. In the UK our roads have never been worse for driven cars. Let alone driverless. Might be worth getting the basic ecosystem first perhaps. Repair the potholed mess before adding Robbie The Robot Driver eh? I remember the days when we used to drive on the left of the road. In Britain the place is so bad now we drive on what’s left of the road! Meantime it’s another big good luck to the DisneyLand on getting their driverless road network sorted!
 
"Outside the crosswalk"

That tells me a lot right there, will wait for more details.

My city has no Jaywalk laws. Hitting someone when they cross a 4 lane road halfway between greens is 100% the drivers fault. The pedestrian always has the right of way, even they block traffic.
 
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[QUOTE="ignatius345, post: 25906890, member: 985876]
Crosswalks were invented for the convenience of car drivers. A person being outside one doesn't make them "fair game" to be killed.[/QUOTE]

So why is there jaywalking laws?
 
Not appropriate at all. We don’t have enough details to even make any assumption about the accident regardless if the victim was outside the crosswalk and they “Don’t” deserve to die based off your rationale.

The person you responded to was mocking the quote in their post. Somebody was saying that the pedestrian was outside the crosswalk and that told them all they needed to know about the situation, implying it was the pedestrian’s fault. @az431 was making that implication explicit to show how absurd it was.
 
Meanwhile (in the US only) 15 pedestrians will be killed today by negligent human drives. 15 more will die tomorrow, 15 died yesterday and 15 die everyday. Why does no one care about that?
This is very true. I'd be curious to see deaths or collisions per mile driven for a better comparison.
 
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Millions of drivers and 15 pedestrians run over. How many driverless cars are on the road - a 100? This collision makes driverless cars look like they might not be as safe.

I don't think you can generalize "driverless cars" yet since there are many competing systems and they're being tuned and developed constantly. Also a little dicey to take a sample this tiny and extrapolate stats from it.
 
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Maybe she shouldn’t have been crossing outside of a crosswalk area... but also the car and driver should have seen her

The car can't "see" -- that's the biggest problem with them. They rely on some sensory data, but primarily on photographic information (pixels) and software to try to figure out what those pixels mean.

Getting vehicles to "see" the world accurately, including all of the countless things a vehicle could encounter, is the whole challenge. If it can "see", telling it what to do is straight forward.
 
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I enjoy driving in Europe because these sorts of things happen less and it makes driving more efficient. Vehicles have the right-of-way most of the time and pedestrians know to pay more attention, especially if not using crosswalk.
Yes, I love how Europe operates. It's also not too bad in Los Angeles. In San Francisco, it sucks. Peds make a nuisance of themselves and slow everyone down to save 2 seconds of their travel time. Like standing in the street instead of on the sidewalk, making right turns difficult and unsafe. The drivers are jerks too, but they don't want to kill anyone. I think it's just cause the SF stereotyped snootiness is real. (And no, I don't drive here. I'm always a ped.)

It's a matter of cooperation. Obey the laws whether you're driving, biking, or walking, and it's better for everyone. But even for selfish people, it's often less risky just for the ped to obey the law, but people don't think about that.
 
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And here we continue the charade that this technology is to make the world better, when in reality it’s a way to speed up shipping and have more ability to pit the working class against each other as millions across the globe will be unemployed as the technology deploys.
Doubtless people said the same about sailing ships...and steam trains...and aeroplanes...
Can’t remember the last time I came across a galley slave.
 
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Very sad. I have to wonder why the human behind the wheel failed to take over in this situation though. That's the point of testing with a human behind the wheel isn't it?
Maybe the other point of testing with a human is to see whether humans will fall asleep at the wheel.
 
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The person you responded to was mocking the quote in their post.

Even so, do you think it’s appropriate for someone else to make a joke or “mockery” of another members post Given the circumstances of this situation? It’s called candor, and some considerably lack it when it involves a sensitive situation as this.
 
Meanwhile (in the US only) 15 pedestrians will be killed today by negligent human drives. 15 more will die tomorrow, 15 died yesterday and 15 die everyday. Why does no one care about that?

So we should ban human drivers? Not sure what your point is.
 
"Outside the crosswalk"

That tells me a lot right there, will wait for more details.

Bullocks, this self driving car should be able to handle all situations, you know...humans are human, they make mistakes, make the wrong decisions, are unpredictable.

I feel sorry for this ladies family, my condolences.
 
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