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But it's ok, it's Apple. If this was Google collecting this information, you guys would be up in arms.

Can you READ? Apple has been emphatic that it is not collecting ANYTHING with regard to fingerprint data. The fingerprint data is stored on the individual's device in an encrypted form. The fingerprint data doesn't get transmitted to any servers, it's not stored in iCloud, it's not collected in any way. THERE IS NOTHING TO BE UP IN ARMS ABOUT!

But you are correct, if it was Google doing it, Google would DEFINITELY be trying to collect it!

Mark
 
Just really blows my mind that with digital privacy concerns ramping up since oh 2001 or so, and building a full head of steam over the last few years, til now when it's front & center in the spotlight, that Apple would choose this moment to build a Fingerprint scanner into their phone.

I mean, I appreciate all the lengths they went to in order to make it secure & whatnot, that's great, but, did their Marketing dept take the year off, or...?

It'd be like deciding that Hindenburg disaster marks the ideal time to market dirigibles.

Obviously there's going to be concern that while Apple doesn't store it now and encrypts, in the future, it could possibly be accessed and retrieved. It's only got to happen once.
 
I wouldn't. I have misgivings about TouchID, but not because the NSA might get copies of your fingerprints.

As far as the NSA goes: they're going to have a heck of a time making sense of the data from the 5S, assuming they can easily gain access. They'll have no idea which finger(s) you took a print of, or know whether all the prints in your device belong to you, or other family members, or a spouse/signifcant other, or even your pet. So, good luck tot he NSA on figuring all that out. As I've said before, there are more dependable methods of getting people's fingerprints that don't require getting into the internals of an iPhone.


The problem I DO have is that enabling fingerprint unlock means lack of any chance of fifth amendement protections. Let's say a law enforcement agency decides they want access to your device and its data. Maybe they think you did something wrong. Or maybe it's not because of something you did wrong, but maybe because they might've done something wrong and you recorded it, and they want to delete it. If your phone happens to be locked by passcode, it might be possible to stall or prevent them accessing the data by pleading the fifth, and refusing to divulge the passcode.

But if you have TouchID, you can't plead the fifth. They can just arrest you and use your fingers to unlock the device and get whatever they want.

You don't have to use TouchID. You can just use the Passcode option.
 
Maybe that $&#) sucker should worry about the freaking federal government violating my civil rights left and right before he worries about Apple. What a waste of oxygen.
 
But it's ok, it's Apple. If this was Google collecting this information, you guys would be up in arms.

So you don't think Apple should store fingerprint data in a secure, encrypted enclave within the new A7 processor? Then where do you think they should store it? You see, here's the deal: Biometrics isn't magic. Just like the tumblers in a lock store the pattern of the key, you need something to match against or nothing happens.

As for the government, I think they're just upset that they don't yet know how to hack into this new chip and illegally take the data. Be more critical of them, not Apple.
 
Can you READ? Apple has been emphatic that it is not collecting ANYTHING with regard to fingerprint data. The fingerprint data is stored on the individual's device in an encrypted form. The fingerprint data doesn't get transmitted to any servers, it's not stored in iCloud, it's not collected in any way. THERE IS NOTHING TO BE UP IN ARMS ABOUT!

But you are correct, if it was Google doing it, Google would DEFINITELY be trying to collect it!

Mark

This all assumes that Apple and Google are telling us the truth. Of course if they were given government protection against potential lawsuits to lie, they would never do that. :confused:
 
False. Screen has no way to pick up anything more than a slight heat signature


Except, of course, whenever you touch something you leave a fingerprint, and it can be collected. The cops do it everyday from all sorts of things.
 
But it's ok, it's Apple. If this was Google collecting this information, you guys would be up in arms.

For crying out loud, other phones/laptops/etc have had fingerprint readers for a long time, most of them capture the "photographic-style" fingerprint, not just a "bioelectric hash".

Including IBM, Lenovo (a Chinese company, oh noes,) and, yes, Google (via their subsidiary Motorola.)

Lawmakers didn't raise a stink over all these previous companies...
 
Just really blows my mind that with digital privacy concerns ramping up since oh 2001 or so, and building a full head of steam over the last few years, til now when it's front & center in the spotlight, that Apple would choose this moment to build a Fingerprint scanner into their phone.

I mean, I appreciate all the lengths they went to in order to make it secure & whatnot, that's great, but, did their Marketing dept take the year off, or...?

It'd be like deciding that Hindenburg disaster marks the ideal time to market dirigibles.

I disagree. This is the absolute best time for it. People are concerned about privacy and since a fingerprint can't be faked, it's the best form of security available. The only people concerned about it are the one's who don't understand what it is. Everyone else is excited for the best security available.
 
Whether Apple considers fingerprint data to be the "subscriber information" or "electronic communication transactional records", the "contents" of communications, customer or subscriber records, or a "subscriber number or identity" as defined in the Stored Communications Act, or a "tangible thing" as defined in the USA PATRIOT Act.

Now thats a question only a Senator can come up with. Grandstand much?
 
Suuuurre. They also said they were giving user data to PRISM as well. :rolleyes:

I don't believe that any of these companies are "giving" user data to PRISM.

The PRISM program is about splitting off the fiber optic data stream just outside of a company's server farm, it would be like tapping your home phone right outside of your house, intercepting and storing anything that comes in or goes out— no permission required.

As for the leaked document that showed dates of when each company came into the fold, that just represents when the physical infrastructure to tap the company was completed, I don't believe it has nothing to do with complacency on part of the company.
 
It's embarrassing to admit that this guy is one of my senators from MN. What an idiot.

We sure do know how to pick 'em in Minnesota, don't we. I don't claim responsibility for Franken though because I didn't vote for him. :p
 
This all assumes that Apple and Google are telling us the truth. Of course if they were given government protection against potential lawsuits to lie, they would never do that. :confused:

This forum needs the Smilie for banging your head against the wall!

When you go to Starbucks and pitch that cup in the trash, be sure to wipe it down before doing so, just to make sure nobody comes along and digs it out of the trash to lift your prints!

Tinfoil hats are on aisle 10.

:rolleyes:

Mark
 
It's kind of moot for a lot of us; your fingerprints are already on file somewhere if you were in the military, worked in most government jobs, had a criminal background check for your job, were arrested for just about anything, even worked for many nonprofits.

I've had it done several times, by the Air Force and when I was appointed by the governor. I have nothing to lose regardless of whether my phone can be subpoenaed or hacked by the black helicopter guys.
 
Someone said something that could be construed as a negative bias against Apple if we jerk our knees over the headline instead of looking at the issues being brought up?

Let's complain and call him stupid! I hate this person so much! :mad:

Nah, Franken is stupid for a lot of other reasons. :p
 
Fingerprint technology has been used for how many years and now there is "concern" about it. Franken is just trying to get attention by exploiting a non-issue.
 
I find it very very hard to believe that Apple didn't think to include the US government in okaying the technology before they slapped it into the hands of millions of people.
 
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