Series 4 not detecting flights climbed properly.

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  1. purpleparrotuk macrumors 6502a

    purpleparrotuk

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    I have made sure all the options are correct according to the Apple discussions webpage to enable accuracy of flights climbed but it doesn’t work for me. I understand it counts around every 16 steps. I’ve just gone up and down the stairs in my house about 10 times and it has only come up as 1 flight.

    Is everyone’s else’s watch accurate for flights?
     
  2. Julien macrumors G4

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    It doesn't count steps. It uses a barometer to measure the difference in air pressure. Not published but probably about 8' to 10' (2.4M to 3M) of elevation change equals about one floor.

    Have you tried restarting the watch?
     
  3. purpleparrotuk thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Hi. Yes restarted watch and phone. Hubbys watch is the same too so I guess it’s just unreliable.
     
  4. Beards macrumors 6502a

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    It’s not a case of it being unreliable, it’s just as Julienne states; no point counting steps when the software doesn’t support that feature. The reliability is formed on its interpretation of barometric air pressure. If it gets that wrong then yes it would be unreliable. One point of note though ~ Don’t run up and down stairs quickly as this doesn’t allow the barometric pressure to register a change.
     
  5. Newtons Apple macrumors Core

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    When our last hurricane came through Jacksonville, last year, my AW recorded 35 flights of steps. It is all about barometeric pressure.
     
  6. michaelb5000 macrumors regular

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    I track my flights of stairs and have a goal of averaging 25 flights per day since I got the s3 last fall. I have posted here on this question at times and have tried to figure it out, but have questions more than answers too.

    It is definitely not just the barometric reading. There has to be use of the GPS and other sensors in the logic, and also smoothing. For your stairs inside, the likely explanation is that it is missing the top and the bottom of the stairs and as a result of smoothing and other error correction, you are not getting credit. So if you go up the stairs and then walk around the 2nd floor, and then go down the stairs and walk around the 1st floor, you are much more likely to get credit, because the other sensors will count your movement and position at the higher and lower pressure. In some way at least.

    I have several apps to measure altitude and pressure. One simple one is called Up High. It just gives you a real time reading of the pressure and altitude. it bounces around by 1-3 feet just sitting still at a desk, and sometimes up to 5 feet. So there is a margin of error in the barometer that is a significant part of 1 flight of stairs. Another example of this is that there needs to be minimum number of stairs to ever count: I stay in a house that has 3 stairs in and out; I can go in and out of the house 30x in a day, but will end up with basically 0 flights for entire the day, so those short flights of stairs never amount to anything.

    I really like and recommend the app WorkOutdoors. The developer posts here and has explained his app a lot. WorkOutdoors is the only I know that gives you the option for a real time reading of flights of stairs as you climb them. Outside, on a hill, I can watch it count both elevation and flights of stairs as I do them. But workoutdoors does use GPS (at least in part), and it will at times round off the top or bottom of the hills as part of its logic smoothing out changes in elevation. So that app shows that happening in real time as it happens. Workoutdoors does not appear to track stairs indoors very well or at all, but I should test that more (using GPS logic may prevent that).
     
  7. SedonaJoys macrumors newbie

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    No, I’m having the same problem with my Series 4 iWatch. There are 14 steps with about a nine foot gain in our interior stairway, and I go up and down those stairs at least ten times a day, but the number of flights registered never exceeds 2 or 3 ~ so annoying.
     
  8. Ledgem macrumors 68000

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    It is pressure; unless something changed with the Series 4, the remark about GPS isn't accurate. You can prove this to yourself the next time you're in an elevator: try walking around the elevator as it is going up or down, and you will see that the Watch increases the number of flights you've walked because it is detecting your walking motions and assumes stair-climbing because of changes in pressure.

    I'd recommend doing this in an empty elevator, so people don't think you're crazy :p

    If you're not getting flights counted with stairs in your home then the difference in elevation probably isn't great enough to trigger it.
     
  9. lc96 macrumors newbie

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    I’m having the same problem with my Series 4, which I didn’t have with the 3. At least you get 2 or 3 flights, I get zero flights climbed. Watch was sent in for diagnostics and sent back with a little piece of paper that said it was working as expected. Why even have a “flights climbed” if it doesn’t work. We have a steep staircase with plenty of steps.
     
  10. Newtons Apple, Jun 14, 2019
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    Nope. It is just barometric pressure and activity or movement. The latter keeps you from getting flights climbed when on an elevator!

    You people are expecting way more accuracy that what the watch offers. I have seen sensitivity change with a new watch, over the old or even a Watch update.

    GPS is not involved when counting flights
     
  11. NoBoMac macrumors 68020

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    Will echo what others have said re: Watch is using barometric pressure to make a guesstimate. And not just Watch, iPhones have same issue.

    For example, today's workout, my GPS tracker said did 341' elevation gain, Health App says did 6 flights of stairs. A really windy day workout, GPS said 197' feet, HA flights, 13. Do that same route on a calm day, HA might say 2-3 floors.

    Hence, why I use a GPS tracker to get a better idea re: elevation gained. Can then always convert to flights, if so inclined (divide by 10 or 12 [12' seems to be average for distance between floors]).
     
  12. lc96 macrumors newbie

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    Ok, why the "flights climbed" in the activity app if it doesn't work, and isn't intended to work?

    I won't even get started on my walking from counter, to stove, to sink to fridge, food prepping for 30 minutes and then being reminded it's time to stand.
     
  13. Newtons Apple macrumors Core

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    Welcome to today smart watch technology.
     

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