Serious iPhone 3G Bugs I Wish I had known about

Discussion in 'iPhone Tips, Help and Troubleshooting' started by clint4, Feb 15, 2009.

  1. clint4 macrumors newbie

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    I'm about to return my iPhone 3G (as I'm still within the 14 day cool-off period). Before I go, I thought I'd leave my 2 cents worth here in case it helps prevent others from making the same mistake I did.

    In a nutshell, the iPhone has at least two fundamental and very serious bugs. Once you hit one of these bugs, it seems there is no long term solution for getting out of them. Apple simply haven't provided a hard enough "reset", or a complete enough "restore from backup". Sooner or later you will hit one these bugs (in my case I hit them both within 48 hours). Then you will start perusing forums like this, whereupon you will find post after post of people with exactly your problem describing various laborious and purely circumstantial "solutions" that "seemed to work for them". It's a classic case of superstition reinforcement as demonstrated in pigeons in 1948 by B F Skinner:

    http://www.crystalinks.com/skinner.html

    The bugs for which nobody but Apple could possibly have an answer are:

    1. All of your installed 3rd Party Apps will suddenly stop working. They will start, then quickly crash without any error message and return to the Home screen. You will then have to reinstall all of them to allow you to use them briefly until the next time this happens.

    2. You iPhone will suddenly start refusing to connect to WiFi networks that it used to connect to just fine. No matter how many times you type in the correct password over and over again, or change settings you shouldn't have to change, or ask it to forget the network and start again, you will never, ever solve this in the long run. Again, there's a fundamental bug whereby the iPhone is "remembering" some faulty information, and there doesn't seem to be a way of ever correcting this faulty information.

    By all accounts, there is little real evidence that Apple are even aware of either of these problems let alone endeavouring to fix them. Despite the fact that people have been "reporting" them for several months.
     
  2. DPA macrumors 65816

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    All software has bugs. The iPhone is sthttp://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=109ill a great phone regardless of these bugs. They don't affect everyone. I don't know if you've noticed or not but there is a very popular iPhone Bugs thread that this belongs in.

    David
     
  3. Macman756 macrumors 6502a

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    You must of messed something up or didn't set it up correctly. My phone works great, never had one problem. Those two problems or "bugs" you listed I've never heard of. I think your quick to find a problem and complain about. I truly think there is nothing wrong with that phone. If you really want to return it, go ahead, but if you just use it and set it up right, I'm almost positive it will work fine. I have NEVER had an app crash, much less freeze the phone, and I've had these apps on both my iPhones, 2G, 3G and iPod Touch. But if you want to return, nobody here is going to stop you.
     
  4. SmoothCaller macrumors newbie

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    I would suggest returning your iPhone and getting a Windows Mobile/CE powered phone. If you think what your experiencing is bad try one of those bad boys out. Perhaps a BlackBerry would be good for you, but then you have to suffer with lack of apps, poor hardware, etc. I think your one of those people that just can't be pleased.
     
  5. clint4 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Yeah I noticed. It's several pages long and full of minor bugs that are of little interest to most people.

    The bugs I'm talking about are fundamental to the core features of the iPhone. Sure all S/W has bugs, but not long standing bugs as fundamental as these. You Apple fans are way too forgiving of Apple's foibles for the common good.

    e.g.

    Bob:
    "Try reinstalling all of your apps, one by one. Do this 12 or so times and it should eventually fix your problem for a few hours"

    Sam:
    "Thanks Bob! Worked a treat! Everything working fine now! :)"
     
  6. liquidtrend macrumors 6502

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    usually a quick reboot or even a soft reset after installing new applications would make the sudden crashes stop. and under my personal experience, i have never had a problem connecting to wifi.

    even though you have read many posts regarding your circumstances, understand that it isnt the large percentage of iphone users. also, that people dont usually complain on forums about how WELL their phone works.

    with that stated, there is little evidence that your problems are large enough to make apple aware.

    but i can see where i sense this dismay. after thinking the iphone is the perfect mobile device, only to find out that it isnt. glad you are making it in the 14 day mark.
     
  7. bartelby macrumors Core

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    The ones you've mentioned have no interest to me. Why are they more important than other's?
     
  8. yetanotherdave macrumors 68000

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    Are you on the latest firmware? These were happening on 2.0, but got fixed on 2.0.1 or something like that.
    Latest firmware is 2.2.1...
     
  9. clint4 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Good point bartelby.

    I don't know anyone who even uses WiFi. And iPhone Apps are a passing fad that will never catch on. So why worry if none of them work?
     
  10. DPA macrumors 65816

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    Obviously the people over at RIM don't think so either because the BlackBerry Storm can't access Wi-Fi.

    David
     
  11. bartelby macrumors Core

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    Yes. But you're talking as if everyone is suffering.
     
  12. clint4 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Yup. I'm on 2.2.1.

    I know that there was a perception that Apple might be about to fix these problems back in August 2008. From all that I have been able to find though, there is no evidence that thay actually ever did fix them. It was all just rumour and conjecture. My own experience is enough to confirm for me that they have definately not fixed these problems. There is also plenty of recent evidence of others with the same problems if you look around.
     
  13. DPA macrumors 65816

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    Your right, you are way better than those people and are too good to follow the Forum Rules:

    David
     
  14. yetanotherdave macrumors 68000

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    It's a shame you're still having problems. Personally I had these bugs that you aer talking about, but the updates certainyl did fix things for me and I have had no problems for months. Have you considered exchanging your phone for another iPhone, as that's not normal behaviour, and certainly shouldn't continue with a new phone.
     
  15. ZiggyPastorius macrumors 68040

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    I think his point is that with every single person on these forums complaining about bugs and "bugs" on the iPhone (OMG! No copy and Paste!, OMG! Only one speaker working!), for you to come in and claim that your problem, which many of us have never heard of anyone having, ever, or atleast very few times, out of the 17,000,000,000,000,000 posters here daily, is more important than all the bugs on the "bug thread," or to insist that your bug is so special, it doesn't deserve to be in that thread, is asinine.
     
  16. dukebound85 macrumors P6

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    ive experienced the first problem many times. it is annoying
     
  17. bartelby macrumors Core

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    Pretty much... :)
     
  18. clint4 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    No. You said that these were minor bugs that were of no interest to you.

    Obviously, people who haven't hit the problems yet aren't suffering. Doesn't mean they won't suffer when they hit them though, which many people eventually will. Like I said, when people make excuses for fundamental bugs such as these (or fail to distinguish between teething problems and fundamental problems) it is not in anyone's long term interest.
     
  19. Knowlege Bomb macrumors 601

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    Have you even taken steps to troubleshoot these problems? Or is your solution to just join a forum to bash the product and move on?

    Seriously, everybody experiences problems here and there. I've had both issues you've mentioned at one time. Take it to Apple and get a working device FFS. They're not going to hesitate when you ask for a replacement.

    You paid good money for it. No reason for it not to work.
     
  20. liquidtrend macrumors 6502

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    funny thing...only one of my speakers is working...

    to the OP:
    listen, i can see how some people are posting some same comments about your situation, but you dont need to spit back with "apple fanboy" or whatever you want to call the people on this APPLE forum.
    if you think we are too forgiving for apples blunders i.e. mobileme, iphone, glossy screens...then you probably arent understanding of other companies and their blunders.
    what i can suggest to you, is that you suck it up, because the other people in this thread are correct, stating that your situation isnt as common...that it doesnt effect them (them being in the larger percentile of iphone users who are quite happy with their device)...and its just not understanding on how you can complain about how apple should have fixed this or that months ago.

    fact is...we dont have the same problem with you.
    fact is...apple doesnt care about your one bad apple. you can go get another if youd like...or go get a windows mobile device, symbian, or say hi to RIM.
     
  21. liquidtrend macrumors 6502

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    it isnt in your long term interest. and why would these "fundamental" bugs be anything to the users who HAVE had this device for a long term as it is, and still have no problems?

    again, i will state the fact that people who DONT have problems DONT post threads talking about how they DONT have problems. you come across all these small "fundamental" bugs that arent fundamental to anyone else. and we are trying to tell you that its not common...but you seem to push the fact that we are wrong, and that we will suffer from these "fundamental" bugs, even when we have HAD these devices for much longer than you have had, and we havent had such problems you are facing.
     
  22. darngooddesign macrumors G3

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    I've been using iPhones since they launched almost two years ago and have never hit these bugs. We're happy to try help you, but rather than whining like a teenager with a blog have you contacted Apple and asked for a new iPhone? Its possib you got a bad one and its software related.
     
  23. Sirobin macrumors 6502

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    Okay, I have never had either of these problems. What makes you so sure that this will happen to everyone, and you didn't just get a bad phone? Try taking it to an Apple store, see what they say.
     
  24. DPA macrumors 65816

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    +1

    David
     
  25. clint4 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    This is obviously a sensitive topic. I guess many of you are not exactly power users? If you've seriously been using your devices for years without hitting either of these problems them you are probably not exactly pushing the envelope, so to speak.

    http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/08/19/steve_jobs_vows_iphone_app_crash_fix_for_september.html

    PS: The problems I report are not better than anyone else's. They are simply fundamental enough to perhaps justify not being buried among the huge variety contained in the general Bug thread. And, on reflection, I think they are also better than anyone else's.
     

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