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Serious Question about the "Outrage" behind CSAM Scanning
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There are a couple of posters here who deliberately fail to understand even the basics.
I have come to understand too much of this over the last couple of weeks. IMO Apple should drop this flaming dumpster asap.
You'd be okay with being treated like a criminal with the images you upload to iCloud then?
If Apple wants to scan for content, it should use their own CPU time, not my device. Screw iCloud.
I think it is the other way around. Some don't understand the attitude to treat your device like it still would be theirs.
I cannot just go to apple HQ and open drawers to search for possible illegal things and then, after I found 30 items, inform the police at will just because apple once manufactured my stuff.
I cannot just go to apple HQ and open drawers to search for possible illegal things and then, after I found 30 items, inform the police at will just because apple once manufactured my stuff.
When I read your comment, it sounded like you were sarcastically describing how thrilled you were to leave the ecosystem. To me that means you are outraged, you do plan on leaving the ecosystem over it, but you're just not happy about it - essentially not living for this outrage, like my statement said. Correct?
Oh. Ok. Misunderstanding. Sorry about that, but it happens
Yes: That's precisely what I was doing.Yes. Entirely correct. Although I wouldn't say I'm "outraged," per se. I dunno. Maybe I am. I was certainly shocked by the announcement, because I believe it runs counter to what I thought I understood Apple to be about. I'm seriously disappointed, because I truly loved, loved, loved my Apple stuff and how well it worked and how cool it was. When I write "I was married to my Apple Watch" I am not exaggerating in the least.
Yeah: I plan on leaving the Apple ecosystem, in large part or in full--at this point almost irregardless of whether they back off this plan, because they've seriously undermined, if not destroyed, my trust in their judgement, and I'm distinctly not happy about feeling obliged to do so. I am, however, resigned to it. The old "fool me once..." thing
I won't claim it's impossible for them to retain me. I try to avoid absolutes like that, as I've too often been wrong in the past
I will say I think it unlikely.And I think you just try a poor man's copy of Craig's line.
Let's try to not let get this personal. I am not interested in personal offence. Better let's exchange our views.
I don't want Apple to run software on my device to spy on me. And I don't want them to even just install it. And I want to be treated like a respected customer not like a likely criminal that needs to be inspected just to be sure.
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Why do you defenders of on-device CSAM-scanning keep trotting this out when many people who object to it clearly understand exactly how it's designed to work and that's precisely why they object to it? It's getting kind of old.
Oh. Ok. Misunderstanding. Sorry about that, but it happens
Yes. Entirely correct. Although I wouldn't say I'm "outraged," per se. I dunno. Maybe I am. I was certainly shocked by the announcement, because I believe it runs counter to what I thought I understood Apple to be about. I'm seriously disappointed, because I truly loved, loved, loved my Apple stuff and how well it worked and how cool it was. When I write "I was married to my Apple Watch" I am not exaggerating in the least.
Yeah: I plan on leaving the Apple ecosystem, in large part or in full--at this point almost irregardless of whether they back off this plan, because they've seriously undermined, if not destroyed, my trust in their judgement, and I'm distinctly not happy about feeling obliged to do so. I am, however, resigned to it. The old "fool me once..." thing
I won't claim it's impossible for them to retain me. I try to avoid absolutes like that, as I've too often been wrong in the past
Okay, good luck.
I'm just annoyed that people think their phone is spying on them, but they happily used iCloud for years and years. Suddenly now it's a problem even though it can be fully disabled just like any other service.
Don't have illegal photos on your device and nothing bad will happen to you, I guarantee it.
You seem to miss the point again. It's the attitude wanting to enter your device and inspecting your private stuff that draws criticism. Plus later options to expand what is looked for.
It's not about people in fear that their forbidden pictures finally get known by the police.
It's not about people in fear that their forbidden pictures finally get known by the police.
If their phone is examining their content and potentially reporting to others "hits," then it is, by definition, spying on them. This is inarguable.
If I set up a telescope and point it at the bedroom window of a female neighbor in hopes of catching her in a state of undress, am I not spying on her if I never catch her in such a state? Somehow I suspect that defense would not fly with either her or the cops. (Or my wife.)
I'm not a pedophile. And I'm fairly confident nobody's going to compromise my iThings to place pedophilia on them. So, no, I'm not in fear of getting nailed by this system as it's currently tasked. That doesn't make it "not spying on me." It's still pawing through my stuff, looking for transgressions.
Apple has not been scanning iCloud image stores for CSAM, have they?
Why do you keep (purposely?) misunderstanding the argument? That's also getting kind of tired.
They're not inspecting your stuff at all unless you're UPLOADING that STUFF to iCloud. Get it now? You have a choice, so stop pretending like it's forced on you.
Have they? Who knows! That's the fun part! You don't even know what they do to your content that you upload to their servers! It's a mystery!
I like the added security of the hybrid solution myself.
If you point a telescope at a neighbor’s window, but never look through it, is it spying?
But they haven't said they are, so they're not, right? I mean: After all: You trust Apple, do you not? Has that trust not been one of your primary arguments?
You and I have much different ideas as to what constitutes "security," that's for sure!
Really?
If Apple is scanning the iCloud for CSAM, based on the numbers they are reporting finding Apple is either:
1. Scanning and not reporting all it finds. That is illegal according to Federal law (US) and many other countries.
or
2. Apple is scanning only when asked to by authorities via subpeona or warrant.
Pick one or come up with another.
Probably not where you wanted to go
If my wife, neighbor, or cops observe my telescope (I don't own one, btw) pointed at the female neighbor's bedroom window do you think they'd believe for a moment I hadn't been?