Setapp Mobile Launches in Open Beta as Alternative App Store in EU

[boss.king]

Incorrect. All popular music is on all streaming services. People who need something that is available only on Spotify are very rare.

You’re completely misunderstanding the point here. If I’m an artist and a big chunk of my listeners use Spotify, they’re not going to switch to Tidal if I choose to my put my music on Tidal. I have to be on Spotify because that’s where my listeners are, even if I’m not that happy with the compensation.

This isn’t hypothetical artist me saying this, this is something I’ve heard expressed by many real musicians who make their living off music.

People too often say that Apple pays more to the music right owners. They get it wrong. Here is an explanation from Gemini:

According to current data, music rights owners generally earn significantly more per stream on Apple Music compared to Spotify, with Apple Music often paying almost twice as much per stream, meaning that for the same number of streams, artists would receive a larger payout from Apple Music than Spotify; however, Spotify often generates more overall revenue due to its larger user base.

So, Spotify actually pays more to music right owners than Apple, that's why they work with Spotify. For more details you can check this web site.

This is not a good point. Spotify pays more because it has more users. It’s still paying less per stream, which is how people actually compare metrics. Tidal pays out more per stream than both of them, but they have a smaller audience, so the total will be smaller.

Word of advice: don’t try get help from Gemini, it’s not very good.

Edit: fixed many little typos. I wish Apple would make autocorrect less awful.

 

[falainber]

Your argument that rights holders don’t have to use Spotify, and therefore Spotify shouldn’t be regulated despite having 56% market share in the EU, is “even though they pay significantly less than their competitors, they generate more revenue because their user base is so much larger”

Seriously? Wow. And you think rights holders are ok with this arrangement?!?
🤣😂🤣😂🤣

You conflated two separate issues.

 

[wbeasley]

As I said, market share is not the only criteria for gatekeeping. People can get the same music from many different streaming services and it takes 5 minutes to switch. Spotify can't prevent them from it but Apple has exclusive access to iOS (not anymore in EU though). And switching from iOS to, say, Android may cost thousands of dollars and a lot of hassle.

market share isnt a metric for Gatekeeper because the EU chose to make it that way to let Spotify off the hook.

Please itemize the "thousands of dollars" to switch...

With Spotify you rent the music. It's licenced to you while you pay a subscription or put up with ads.

Apple (and Google) licence their OSes to you as well. You dont own them. If you choose to buy software on either platform you dont get a cross platfrom licence to use the app elsewhere. This is not an Apple thing. It's in all cases.

You chose to buy apps for your OS knowing this fact. It's not hidden and it's not new.

I suppose you get just as upset when an app no longer works on an upgraded OS?
What do you do then?

 

[falainber]

market share isnt a metric for Gatekeeper because the EU chose to make it that way to let Spotify off the hook.

Please itemize the "thousands of dollars" to switch...

With Spotify you rent the music. It's licenced to you while you pay a subscription or put up with ads.

Apple (and Google) licence their OSes to you as well. You dont own them. If you choose to buy software on either platform you dont get a cross platfrom licence to use the app elsewhere. This is not an Apple thing. It's in all cases.

You chose to buy apps for your OS knowing this fact. It's not hidden and it's not new.

I suppose you get just as upset when an app no longer works on an upgraded OS?
What do you do then?

When you switch from iOS to Android, you will need new smartphone, tablet, headphones, smartwatch, apps etc. This can easily cost $1000+

 

[wbeasley]

When you switch from iOS to Android, you will need new smartphone, tablet, headphones, smartwatch, apps etc. This can easily cost $1000+

well why not add a computer as well? you want them all to work seamlessly....

somehow headphones just work across systems...
you're clutching at straws.

you knew all this before you settled on an OS system. Did you choose unwisely?

And oddly enough, even with all those hurdles, there's a net move from Android to Apple... wonder why?
Freedom to do what you want isnt valued as much as closed environment where it's harder to install bad apps and things just work?

 

[svish]

Good to see alternate app store but not happy with a subscription model.

 

[tmaciak]

They do it for their Mac users, most of them will have rather iOS than Android and a Windows version also never existed.

And the Company creating it is also known as being Apple only. They have one Windows App that is called CleanMyPC. But I don't think that's even known in the Windows world.

I still wonder how this concepts even works. On Mac there are apps in it that alone cost more monthly.

I would rather compare it to a Spotify for apps than to an app store. At least on Mac they have already very much.

But my comment was about possible Meta store, not about Setapp.

 

[mrochester]

As I said, market share is not the only criteria for gatekeeping. People can get the same music from many different streaming services and it takes 5 minutes to switch. Spotify can't prevent them from it but Apple has exclusive access to iOS (not anymore in EU though). And switching from iOS to, say, Android may cost thousands of dollars and a lot of hassle.

The DMA won't reduce switching costs, nor will it really help with switching.

 

[wbeasley]

The DMA won't reduce switching costs, nor will it really help with switching.

But was it meant to?

 

[mrochester]

But was it meant to?

Nope it wasn't.

 

[falainber]

The DMA won't reduce switching costs, nor will it really help with switching.

No, but it will reduce the need for switching.

 

[mrochester]

No, but it will reduce the need for switching.

Yay, less competition!

We should be encouraging larges amounts of switching between OSes and ecosystems, and we should be able to do so amongst a breadth of different options.

 

[falainber]

well why not add a computer as well? you want them all to work seamlessly....

somehow headphones just work across systems...
you're clutching at straws.

you knew all this before you settled on an OS system. Did you choose unwisely?

And oddly enough, even with all those hurdles, there's a net move from Android to Apple... wonder why?
Freedom to do what you want isnt valued as much as closed environment where it's harder to install bad apps and things just work?

Apple headphones may work with Android devices but some functionality will be lost meaning that you lose money (supposedly, you paid extra for these extra features). Your claim about people switching from Android to Apple actually proves my point. People switch in both directions but perhaps it costs more to switch from Apple?

 

[mrochester]

Apple headphones may work with Android devices but some functionality will be lost meaning that you lose money (supposedly, you paid extra for these extra features). Your claim about people switching from Android to Apple actually proves my point. People switch in both directions but perhaps it costs more to switch from Apple?

It would cost more to switch from Android to iOS. Apple devices are more expensive usually. More people tend to switch from Android to iOS than the other way around.

 

[Mrkevinfinnerty]

You’re completely misunderstanding the point here. If I’m an artist and a big chunk of my listeners use Spotify, they’re not going to switch to Tidal if I choose to my put my music on Tidal. I have to be on Spotify because that’s where my listeners are, even if I’m not that happy with the compensation.

This isn’t hypothetical artist me saying this, this is something I’ve heard expressed by many real musicians who make their living off music.


This is not a good point. Spotify pays more because it has more users. It’s still paying less per stream, which is how people actually compare metrics. Tidal pays out more per stream than both of them, but they have a smaller audience, so the total will be smaller.

Word of advice: don’t try get help from Gemini, it’s not very good.

Edit: fixed many little typos. I wish Apple would make autocorrect less awful.

It isn't really.

Multiple industry sources tell Variety that although the per-stream model may seem to be the least-baffling streaming royalty metric to grasp, it is an antiquated and even inaccurate way of measuring a streaming service’s power.

“Nobody looks at per-stream [metrics] anymore, at least not internally,” one executive at a major music company tells Variety. “What we look at is overall subscription growth, the churn rate — with a low rate being the goal, because it means people are sticking around — and the conversion rate, which is how many people stay past the free trial or, in Spotify’s case, switch from their ad-supported platform to a paid one.”

The executive concludes, “What we want to see is a lot of users streaming a lot of music” — which seems blindingly obvious. But more users and more streams can actually mean a lower per-stream rate. For example, if one artist were racking up a high percentage of streams on a less-popular streaming service, their per-stream rate would be quite high — but they’d actually have fewer streams than they would on a site with more users. (Spotify has an industry-leading 155 million paying subscribers and 345 million active users, according to its most recent report, while Apple last reported more than 60 million Music subscribers in June 2019.)

This point is moot anyway.

As posted earlier streaming royalties are on the radar of the EU but it is an industry problem and not a simple as just regulating Spotify.

 

[wbeasley]

Apple headphones may work with Android devices but some functionality will be lost meaning that you lose money (supposedly, you paid extra for these extra features). Your claim about people switching from Android to Apple actually proves my point. People switch in both directions but perhaps it costs more to switch from Apple?

And yet more people are switching to Apple... go figure. Why?

 

[randomsalad]

I'm currently using notification summary, summarize webpages, some of the writing tools, and photo clean up.

And yes, I realize I am running the beta and it's not publicly available. But it's not like anything is going to change dramatically between now and when Apple Intelligence's is released in October with regards to Apple's ability to provide the service in the EU.

I’m sure the AI feature will be available in the EU in the future. Else apple wont be able to promote the iPhone well. On the other hand the 3rd party won’t go away.