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Anyone want to bet on how long until Apple adds a stylus pen?
Does anyone still want to bet never?

I still say never.
They may improve the support for third party stylus. They may even improve the touch tech they use so finer stylus come to the market. They won't ship one as standard with a device. I even highly doubt they even ever make an Apple branded one.

In other words same as current. The device must work without it.

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Yes, I have always wanted a larger iPad since day one.

The larger iPad could easily move up to 11inch range screen and not change the device size. That would rock.
 
here we go again :mad:


we dont get to hear such stories about others - sony , sammy, LG

Apple breathes in - stocks shakes
Apple takes a sleep - everyone knows and taking it like a serious tsunami

am sure apple be like - we hate this lime light , we only love it when we show off our new products , not when we wanna sneeze.

I think Apple is under intense scrutiny by the media and "analysts" lately for no obvious reason. Google on the hand seems to be invisible...:p
 
I read elsewhere that the nexus 7 is outselling the iPad mini in other countries

Main reason is supply of the Mini is constrained in overseas countries but the Nexus is not. New Zealand (yes, I mean the whole country) has been sold out of the Mini since before December and stocks still haven't been replenished.
 
Wrong! Windows allows hardware manufacturers to plug in their own system extensions and drivers, gives APIs to general purpose software companies to change almost every part of the OS.

No, Microsoft retains 100% over the Windows codebase. There's nothing wrong with Windows being closed btw, so you don't have to try to defend the "openess" of Windows.

Please read "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" to understand the distinction. OS X, HP-UX, AIX, Windows are closed systems. BSD, Linux are open systems. Both models have their pros and cons. No need to get defensive and try to dump your "favorite" in the other camp.
 
The market is changing more fast than Apple can handle. Could be dangerous if they don't create the right iPhone. My boss sold all his stock and now owns blackberry. He making money like crazy
 
No, Microsoft retains 100% over the Windows codebase. There's nothing wrong with Windows being closed btw, so you don't have to try to defend the "openess" of Windows.

Please read "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" to understand the distinction. OS X, HP-UX, AIX, Windows are closed systems. BSD, Linux are open systems. Both models have their pros and cons. No need to get defensive and try to dump your "favorite" in the other camp.

In practical terms, however, Windows has a rich set of opaque APIs (both userland and kernel) and a flexible architecture that lets developers replace Microsoft-supplied components with their own (or alter the behaviour of the Microsoft-supplied components).

The end result is similar in many ways to an open system, without the hassles and instability of forking the code.

There are fifty shades of grey between "open" and "closed".
 
Wrong! Windows allows hardware manufacturers to plug in their own system extensions and drivers, gives APIs to general purpose software companies to change almost every part of the OS.

Same with OSX.

But I do agree, iOS does need some more customization options. Perhaps a developer mode.

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New Zealand (yes, I mean the whole country) has been sold out of the Mini since before December and stocks still haven't been replenished.

Weird, lots of iPad minis available here in Canada.

But the Nexus is selling quite well here too.
 
This makes me wonder how Steve might have fared if he had been president. What wouldn't I give just to hear one of his fabled keynotes in that context. :p
 
Perhaps saturated to the extent iPad 2 ad 3 owners are content enough with their devices that they skip a generation or two (or three) when it comes to upgrades? The iPad Mini OTOH, should broaden the iOS market:

- iPad owners who want a second, smaller iPad
- People who like the lower cost of entry to iWorld.

Tha the Nexus 7 might do better in some markets shouldn't be surprising. There's less simply less disposable income in some places.

Not sure on broadening the iOS tablet market.... I have/hopefully had an iPad 2 32gb wifi. My fiancé has an iPad 3 32gb wifi. Bought him an iPad mini, and he loves it more than the iPad 3. We are keeping the iPad 3 for stuff that the larger screen works better for us, like as a screen in the kitchen. As for myself I bought the iPad mini 64gb ATT model for myself at the same time, and find it better than the full size iPad for my needs.

Both of us agree that we would have gone for the iPad mini over the iPad if both had been offered at the same time....
 
This makes me wonder how Steve might have fared if he had been president. What wouldn't I give just to hear one of his fabled keynotes in that context. :p

I just can't picture the phrases "consensus builder" and "Steve Jobs" together....

"Unmitigated disaster" comes to mind when thinking about Jobs as president of the US.
 
In practical terms, however, Windows has a rich set of opaque APIs (both userland and kernel) and a flexible architecture that lets developers replace Microsoft-supplied components with their own (or alter the behaviour of the Microsoft-supplied components).

I don't know of any modern OS that doesn't. That's just good OS design, it has nothing to do with openess or not.
 
I don't know of any modern OS that doesn't. That's just good OS design, it has nothing to do with openess or not.

You haven't heard of iOS?

And you don't consider Linux to be modern? (Well, I agree with you there - its API is a total mess from start to finish. POSIX is a 70's nightmare, and Linux made it worse.)
 
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I've been wanting to get an iPad for some time but a) a lack of money and b) a real need for one has stopped me. That was until the Mini came out, checking them out in store and I was amazed how much lighter the Mini was and for a screen not that much smaller.

Now I'm just waiting for my new iMac and then the rumors of an update in the first half of the year I might wait an see how they pan out before taking the plunge.
 
I just can't picture the phrases "consensus builder" and "Steve Jobs" together....

"Unmitigated disaster" comes to mind when thinking about Jobs as president of the US.

Oops. SOmehow this reply was meant for the other thread on how Steve acquired companies, but ended up here. :p
 
Why do people say that a Mini will kill the bigger iPad just because they like the smaller size better is beyond me.

As you say, its about choice. And the the movement in the market is away from the 10"" to the 8'' ipad. Its likely apple will continue both; its possible the mine may end up outselling the 10" ipad 5 to one or more.

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Anyone want to bet on how long until Apple adds a stylus pen?
Does anyone still want to bet never?

I'll take that bet. If surface and this generation of win8 hybrids cannot generate interest in stylus workflows, i don't see it happening And surface propects look very bad. That said, i would love a pen.
 
Saturated market?

I hope we see some price drops or at least the removal of a 16 gb iPad but 32, 64, & 128 for the same $

I read elsewhere that the nexus 7 is outselling the iPad mini in other countries

Saturated market combined with incremental updates. That's one area where the PC market has an advantage over "Post PC" devices. You can pay increment prices for incremental upgrades, vs full price for incremental upgrades.
 
If the next Mini is Retina, than I will be done with the original iPad form factor as well. I think there are a lot of us out there waiting to see if that upgrade will happen, and won't purchase either version until we know.
 
You haven't heard of iOS?

And you don't consider Linux to be modern? (Well, I agree with you there - its API is a total mess from start to finish. POSIX is a 70's nightmare, and Linux made it worse.)

You're not seriously suggesting that windows has a clean API that isn't a total mess are you?
 
You're not seriously suggesting that windows has a clean API that isn't a total mess are you?

The only people who claim Windows is a mess are those who know absolutely nothing about it.

Yes, there is a goodly bit of "legacy cruft" buried deep within Windows, but it's partitioned away from everything else so it never gets in the way unless it's specifically called upon.
 
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