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Sherlock (BBC/PBS TV 2010...) Spoilers!

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Now that we've seen how Sherlock faked his death, do we know if Moriarty is really dead? If they are cleaver enough, Moriarty's death could also have been faked due to some kind of behind the scenes angle Sherlock acquired over him.

I just can't believe that they would allow this character to off himself after so brief an appearance. Does anyone know if in the original SH books if Moriarty died? I read many of them, but am not an expert on all things Sherlock Holmes. :)
 
Huntn said:
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Now that we've seen how Sherlock faked his death, do we know if Moriarty is really dead? If they are cleaver enough, Moriarty's death could also have been faked due to some kind of behind the scenes angle Sherlock acquired over him.

I just can't believe that they would allow this character to off himself after so brief an appearance. Does anyone know if in the original SH books if Moriarty died? I read many of them, but am not an expert on all things Sherlock Holmes. :)
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In the books Moriarty did die, Sherlock witnessed him falling into the depths of the falls. However, Moriarty's network of thugs and crooks lived on.

I loved the subtle peep of his next arch nemesis at the end of Sherlock. :)

And yeah, most definitely, Sherlock's version of Moriarty is outstanding. We cheered when we saw him again.

The writers have taken some liberties with the stories --Sherlock's family is a huge departure, so who knows, perhaps Moriarty will resurface some how. I must watch the episode again because it just crammed so much in so quickly, but I thought it was still somewhat ambiguous about how he staged his death, or else I'm getting mixed up with the various alternatives that were shown.
 
CrickettGrrrl said:
In the books Moriarty did die, Sherlock witnessed him falling into the depths of the falls. However, Moriarty's network of thugs and crooks lived on.

I loved the subtle peep of his next arch nemesis at the end of Sherlock. :)

And yeah, most definitely, Sherlock's version of Moriarty is outstanding. We cheered when we saw him again.

The writers have taken some liberties with the stories --Sherlock's family is a huge departure, so who knows, perhaps Moriarty will resurface some how. I must watch the episode again because it just crammed so much in so quickly, but I thought it was still somewhat ambiguous about how he staged his death, or else I'm getting mixed up with the various alternatives that were shown.
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Thanks for jogging my memory. I did read that one. :) I'm saddened that I was not able to tie that together with the new series, but it's been a long time since I've read those stories. That's my excuse. ;)

According to this link they both fell:
Watson sees that towards the end of the path there are signs that a violent struggle has taken place and there are no returning footprints. It is all too clear Holmes and Moriarty have both fallen to their deaths down the gorge while locked in mortal combat. Heartbroken, Dr. Watson returns to England.
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To critique the series, other than the Season 2 finale, the stories seem to be all over the place, frantic at times and suffer to some degree by rapid editing, as if anything else would not hold the viewers attention. The strongest aspect of the show are the characters and how it ties a modern Sherlock into the the traditional feel of those stories. :)

For anyone interested, the entire book series can be downloaded for free at Sherlock-holm.es
 
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Well, that is what dear Watson was supposed to think. In the books, Sherlock explains how Moriarty fell, and then how he fled through the mountains with a sniper on his trail.

Robert Hardy was, to me, the definitive Master Blackmailer in the Jeremy Brett/Masterpiece Sherlock Holes series, so I'm very interested in Moffat & Gatiss's choice for the new series. Andrew Scott set the bar high as Moriarty.
 
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Huntn said:
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Now that we've seen how Sherlock faked his death...
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But have we? I believe they left it deliberately ambiguous, with even the Sherlock-provided version open to doubt.

The important thing is that Gatiss and Moffat skillfully showed us that the HOW wasn't really all that important.
 
CrickettGrrrl said:
Well, that is what dear Watson was supposed to think. In the books, Sherlock explains how Moriarty fell, and then how he fled through the mountains with a sniper on his trail.

Robert Hardy was, to me, the definitive Master Blackmailer in the Jeremy Brett/Masterpiece Sherlock Holes series, so I've very interested in Moffat & Gatiss's choice for the new series. Andrew Scott set the bar high as Moriarty.
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Just as I had gotten used to this Moriarty... apparently he's gone. :(

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But have we? I believe they left it deliberately ambiguous, with even the Sherlock-provided version open to doubt.

The important thing is that Gatiss and Moffat skillfully showed us that the HOW wasn't really all that important.
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I assume you are referring to Moriarty? Well they showed Moriarty put a gun in his mouth, pull the trigger, and Holmes yell "NO!", but with the amount of deception involved in Sherlock jumping/death, I can easily see the same for Moriarty.

And I do think it is important that based on what they showed in the Season 2 finale, they were obligated to show how Sherlock did it or it would be much too much like magic or that episode was Watson's dream. ;)
 
jcb10 said:
But have we? I believe they left it deliberately ambiguous, with even the Sherlock-provided version open to doubt.

The important thing is that Gatiss and Moffat skillfully showed us that the HOW wasn't really all that important.
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Correct. And despite Moffat stating that the way Sherlock described the event at the end of S3E1 was the way the event unfolded, many are still skeptical.
 
jcb10 said:
But have we? I believe they left it deliberately ambiguous, with even the Sherlock-provided version open to doubt.
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Huntn said:
I assume you are referring to Moriarty? Well they showed Moriarty put a gun in his mouth, pull the trigger, and Holmes yell "NO!", but with the amount of deception involved in Sherlock jumping/death, I can easily see the same for Moriarty.
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No, I was referring to even the version of events as by described Sherlock being open to skepticism. I agree with you that the Moriarty "death" looks more straightforward, although Sherlock never did go over to the body and look for a pulse...
 
And Boom! --looks like he's back. Hello Moriarty.

Magnussen was wonderfully repellent, though with everyone else seeming to bounce back from the dead, is he really dead too? :)

Wiggins was an interesting update on Holmes's Irregulars.

Mary Morstan as an assassin is a bit over the top, but then again, so is this entire show. Still love it.
 
A special edition of the Cumberbatch-Freeman Sherlock Holmes series will be set in 19th Century London, my preference. :) Don't know when it will be broadcast. Anyone? I have this as part of Masterpiece Mystery set to record on PBS.




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I'd forgotten all about that special. Thanks for the reminder! Though I suppose most people will be dealing with a hangover.
 
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