Short-lived Mac Experience

Discussion in 'Mac Basics and Help' started by slooksterPSV, May 30, 2010.

  1. slooksterPSV macrumors 68040


    Apr 17, 2004
    Hey, just wanted to give a shout-out to everyone and say thanks for all the help and that you gave me when I started on the Forums. My first brand new Mac was an iBook G4, last generation, that my dad bought for me for college. It's still up and working with Tiger on it, but it's retired for the most part. 40GB doesn't go a long way.

    Anyways, with Apple's new Schemes and Tricks and Lock-downs for developers and their other hardware products, I've finally said goodbye to the Mac world. Apple is really showing how much of an anti-trust they can fall into - Microsoft was in one I know, but still never thought I would see Apple stoop to these kinds of lows.

    Lately, they removed a popular game off of the App Store - Gnu Go (a chess game) because the FSF stepped in and said hey, these terms violate the GPLv2 Licensing agreement.

    Another few items, when they went with Intel, I was hoping their prices would drop - they haven't, some have went higher, granted I could save up 2 checks and buy a Mac Mini, I don't even want to bother.

    Does anyone else miss the old G3/G4/G5 days? Does anyone miss when Apple was a "better" company? Maybe it's just me, I'll still check out the forums, but for now, I feel that Apple is the newest monopoly player. I'm a PC, I used to be a Mac, but I feel betrayed by Apple with their newest lock-downs.

    Good luck all!
  2. Hellhammer Moderator


    Staff Member

    Dec 10, 2008
    Apple is a company which aim is to make money, nothing more.

    The app was removed so Apple won't get sued as that would cause them money.

    Intel is the dominator of CPU market and the only other choice is AMD which mobile CPUs suck.

    I hate several things about Apple but the things that make me buy it are greater
  3. Hadron macrumors regular

    Apr 13, 2010
    There are things about Apple's MO I don't like, but removing an app which violates the terms of the GPL sounds like a good thing to me.
  4. R94N macrumors 68020


    May 30, 2010
    That's quite amazing how that iBook is still running OK. I wonder if my 2009 MacBook will last that long...
  5. calderone macrumors 68040


    Aug 28, 2009
    How many PCs are there from that era that aren't in landfills?

    The only locked down platform is the iPhone OS platform. You are welcome to not buy it.

    So they violated the GPL licensing agreement and Apple is supposed to let them stay in the App Store? You would rather the App Store be filled with Apps that are violating the agreement from which they took much of their work? And this means they everything Apple is "locked down?" I know that the iPhone platform isn't open for any app to be sold, but this is a poor example.

    Last 15" Powerbook G4 starting price: $1999
    Today's 15" Macbook Pro starting price: $1799

    Last 14" iBook G4 starting price: $1299
    Today's 13" Macbook Pro starting price: $1199

    Last PowerMac G5 (Quad) starting price: $3299
    Today's Mac Pro (Quad) starting price: $2499

    Last PPC iMac (20") starting price: $1699
    Today's iMac (21.5") starting price: $1199

    Last PPC Mac Mini starting price (with superdrive): $699
    Today's Intel Mac Mini starting price: $599


    I still think Apple is a good a company as they were then. Good to know you just switch between "monopoly players." Why not be daring and go all open-source?
  6. slooksterPSV thread starter macrumors 68040


    Apr 17, 2004
    1. You're right, a lot of PCs do fill up landfills, and that sucks, but they have started recycling centers and that. - I'll give you that one.

    2. Ok so it starts with the iPhone being closed source (which includes the iPad), but what if it goes to the main platform? I mean the mobile platform is just as important as the main platform. With these tactics of closing down the toolkits that can be used, it's just horrible. Adobe is one program I'd rather use on a Mac than a PC, but they're being locked out of a multi-million dollar mobile market cause they can't use other toolkits to develop the software they want to develop.

    3. Lock-down right there, they removed Software that was made under the GPLv2, so will any GPLv2 software be available on the App Store? It turns me away from wanting to write free software for the iPhone/iPad. I wrote ADM and MDM, which are free.

    4. I can buy a PC more powerful than those computers for cheaper; buy them from HP, Acer, Dell, Gateway, etc. I want an OS X Laptop that is $500, heck it could have a single-core celeron and I would be happy. But no, its so expensive that I'd rather buy a PC throw a distro of Linux on it or use Windows that comes with it. My iBook G4, last gen. it was $999 + Apple Care, so we spent $1300 on it all together. Now for the cheapest laptop, it's still $999, costs are still high. Way too high, and the Mac-Mini's went up, they were $499 for the last generation, I know cause I almost bought one, then I heard Intel was coming out and though, oh, cheaper prices, nope. - I still have the receipt by the way for my iBook G4 last gen 1.33GHz 12.1" screen.

    5. I do use OpenSource - I use Ubuntu. Everything I run is FREE. Even on Windows, I don't pay for my games, my office software, etc. I use OpenSource Software - eg., eM mail client (Outlook/Entourage like), etc.

    --By the way, I love how they recommend using two antivirus programs on your mac and not just one. Sorry, I like my Ubuntu so I don't get viruses and Windows, I've secured it down.

    Ok I think the main reason I'm venting is cause I want a Mac, but can't afford one haha, overall I just get frustrated when developers are locked out of giving users the applications they want cause they're locked out of using their own toolkits, that's what started this whole post. I'll be a mac user again when they furnish a laptop for less than $700. See back to the developer thing again
  7. Eidorian macrumors Penryn


    Mar 23, 2005
    It only took 3-4 years depending on the model. Apple is glacial when it comes to computer hardware updates otherwise.
  8. chown33 macrumors 604

    Aug 9, 2009
    Sailing beyond the sunset
  9. Eidorian macrumors Penryn


    Mar 23, 2005
  10. THX1139 macrumors 68000


    Mar 4, 2006
  11. pdjudd macrumors 601

    Jun 19, 2007
    Plymouth, MN
    Who says that you have to use GPL? That has nothing to do with Apple at all.

    Note that the article is a depreciated one and no longer applies.

    But who says that it will? Steve has already said that is not the case You are making a false argument based on no factual evidence - you are just hypothesizing with only one data point. You cannot use one data-point regarding one platform and extend it to another like that. You assume that Apple can suddenly make such a drastic change to their OS like that - there is no reason to suggest that they even could do that and be successful.

    Oh and by the way, monopolies are not illegal in of themselves.
  12. old-wiz macrumors G3

    Mar 26, 2008
    West Suburban Boston Ma
    I still have a iBook G4 1.33/1.25gb mem and I take it when I travel and sometimes use it around the house. It has Leopard and is fine for what I do with it.
  13. Tailpike1153 macrumors 6502a


    Aug 31, 2004
    Bellevue, WA
    Sometimes you have to....

    Sorry to see you go. Stop by and tell us how well your rigs are running.
  14. cubist macrumors 68020

    Jul 4, 2002
    Muncie, Indiana
    Consider getting a used machine if funds are limited.

    I got a beautiful 17" macbook pro on ebay for $650. Runs snow leopard very snappily. Runs circles around the old G4...
  15. Makosuke macrumors 603

    Aug 15, 2001
    The Cool Part of CA, USA
    Not me. I've owned Macs since 1991 and several top-of-the-line machines since the early G4 era, as well as maintaining about 20 Macs at work for the past 15 years, and I've seen a substantial decrease in prices, an increase in built-in features, and no significant change in build quality over that time period.

    My 1st gen Intel 17" MBP was cheaper than my 1st gen G5 tower, faster, and at least as well built, better if I take into account that it's a portable. Both are still running fine, but the MBP runs better. There were FAR more problems with first and second generation G5 iMacs than with first and second generation Intel iMacs, and the prices were substantially higher. The newer ones are cheaper and better.

    The i7 iMac is the first all-in-one computer good enough to convince me to buy it over a dedicated pro tower. In particular, Apple's switch to IPS screens in everything but its laptops (unless you count the now-depreciated iPhone 3GS) shows a continued dedication to quality, even if it increases the price substantially and, frankly, is NOT that much of a marketing bullet point to the average consumer (who frankly has no idea what IPS means, or why it's good, and may not even notice the difference).

    I'd also make a strong argument that the iPhone 4 and iPad are the best-designed and built products Apple has ever made; the only competition is the cheese grater towers.

    Not saying you aren't justified in making your decision, but blanket statements about build quality or price maintenance aren't necessarily accurate, or universal.

    I also completely fail to see why people tar the Mac with the same brush as the iOS and App store. One is not the other. You're allowed to say "I dislike Apple's business practices in area A enough to make me take my business in area B elsewhere." -- That's how I feel about MS's browser war performance and Office/Windows business practices, and why I will never buy an XBox, even were it an appealing game console.

    But saying "Apple is too restrictive." as a reason not to use a Mac when, thus far, there has been no actual evidence to support that is just odd. Yes, it's POSSIBLE that this will change some day, with 10.7 or 10.8 (personally I doubt it), but it's also entirely possible that it won't, and until that day there's no particular reason to dislike the MacOS because of the App Store. If MacOS 10.8 requires signed apps that can only be bought through Apple, then you can legitimately say "too closed, I'm switching to Ubuntu." or whatever, but doing so preemptively if there isn't some other good reason for it mystifies me.

    Anyway, I honestly do hope that you find your new choice of platform more enjoyable and functional to you than the MacOS and Apple's hardware. I'd be interested, in fact, in hearing your experiences once you've used it for a year or two.
  16. michaelzz macrumors newbie

    Apr 4, 2008
    How do you guys not understand this? I actually liked this story and think its completely relevant to what this threadstarter said. Basically, he can't afford a mac, so it's easy for him to criticize it because he can't have it.

    but on topic, I do find it a little annoying that you need a mac to be an iPhone dev but I don't think its a huge deal. If you want to develop mobile applications try android, they've got a great community, the eclipse sdk plugin runs on everything, and it may eventually have a similar market share to apple's offerings.

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