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It has nothing to with being isolationists. If the American economy fails do you think China is going to reach out its loving hand to you and help pick you up. Is China going to help stimulate our economy? We need to take care of ourselves first and foremost because nobody else will. Its not being an isolationist its helping our people. Just like all these Celebs who goto Africa and pour millions into the poor in Africa when we have starving people dying in the streets here in the USA. I think all these bleeding hearts forget that we have Americans here who need food, jobs, and HOPE. Not false hope real hope. Apple bringing its production facilities back to the USA would bring a lot of nice High tech jobs for someone in the Tech field who is looking to get a foot in the door or some experience.

Where is assembling ipads/iphones a high tech job, short of some plant managers and bulky administrative jobs ?

Did you see the pictures from Foxconn factories?

And what if there is not enough work for that factory? Why would Apple want to own a factory with all it's problems?

Your view is somewhat simplified. China (and other nations) are propping up the US. They are the ones buying the bonds.

The US is spending more than it takes in, every time budgets get cut "education" is first and in general they have been borrowing money from around the world in what seems forever.

It's dependency on oil with an unwillingness to invest in alternative energy to an extend that matters, causes ever growing deficits.

The consumer votes with his/her dollars at Walmart etc.

Of the many people that suffer in the streets a large percentage is unemployable or they may live in areas not even close to a plant.

Just how many plants is one supposed to build?

The purpose of a business is to make profits, not to do the morally right thing. Sounds cold, but is true.

For many years the US was isolated and thinking that due to it's size it can do everything their way.

Many US industries have been lost to people with foresight and creativity.

By not looking at the "world" the didn't realize they would have to adapt.

Too late now!
 
I think there was article up yesterday about the cost if Apple moved production to the US..it was something like $1250 per iPad
 
Just move all of the manufacturing to Texas, let's call it a day!

Ummm, they are probably looking for skilled, motivated, and slightly educated workers. Plus, it will be hard for people with fat fingers and big guts to assemble such elegant and precise devices.
 
Where is assembling ipads/iphones a high tech job, short of some plant managers and bulky administrative jobs ?

Did you see the pictures from Foxconn factories?

And what if there is not enough work for that factory? Why would Apple want to own a factory with all it's problems?

Your view is somewhat simplified. China (and other nations) are propping up the US. They are the ones buying the bonds.

The US is spending more than it takes in, every time budgets get cut "education" is first and in general they have been borrowing money from around the world in what seems forever.

It's dependency on oil with an unwillingness to invest in alternative energy to an extend that matters, causes ever growing deficits.

The consumer votes with his/her dollars at Walmart etc.

Of the many people that suffer in the streets a large percentage is unemployable or they may live in areas not even close to a plant.

Just how many plants is one supposed to build?

The purpose of a business is to make profits, not to do the morally right thing. Sounds cold, but is true.

For many years the US was isolated and thinking that due to it's size it can do everything their way.

Many US industries have been lost to people with foresight and creativity.

By not looking at the "world" the didn't realize they would have to adapt.

Too late now!

The problem with US manufacturing has always been Union demands. Period.com end of story. Why do you think the rust belt also contained the most amount of Unionized workers. Union workers blackmailing was replaced by Outsourced cheap labor with questionable QC and products.
 
Why would you work for free?

Part time. Get the factories over here. Help offset the costs to pay the other workers to keep the costs closer to China. It would be like doing volunteer work to help the country. I am sure others would do it too if it could help bring manufacturing back in the U.S. and at the same time help your neighbor have a job.
 
The problem with US manufacturing has always been Union demands. Period.com end of story. Why do you think the rust belt also contained the most amount of Unionized workers. Union workers blackmailing was replaced by Outsourced cheap labor with questionable QC and products.

Wow, I never new it was so simpul. Some moron with a degree from some elite edumacated college was trying to tell me it was do to stuffs like exchange rate, standurd of living differents, child labur laws and other stuffs like dat! Thank u for fixin that!

Bring back them middle class sweatshop jobs back to the US!!!
 
Part time. Get the factories over here. Help offset the costs to pay the other workers to keep the costs closer to China. It would be like doing volunteer work to help the country. I am sure others would do it too if it could help bring manufacturing back in the U.S. and at the same time help your neighbor have a job.

Would you do that if other companies started manufacturing things in the US, like maybe Lenovo, HP, or Dell?
 
Wow, I never new it was so simpul. Some moron with a degree from some elite edumacated college was trying to tell me it was do to stuffs like exchange rate, standurd of living differents, child labur laws and other stuffs like dat! Thank u for fixin that!

Bring back them middle class sweatshop jobs back to the US!!!

Nice job liking your own post. Unions aren't necessary anymore. They helped pave the way but not anymore. Now all they are is a corrupt entity after money and power. Unions built the Middle class and destroyed the middle.
 
Would you do that if other companies started manufacturing things in the US, like maybe Lenovo, HP, or Dell?

That is easy. Yes, I would. One company needs to make the bold move and others will follow. I only picked Apple because they basically sell everything they make so they would provide more jobs and they are a leader in the industry and it would make news for others to follow. I think it would be cool if Dell did this because they are a high volume and well known name.
 
The email I just got for an ipad order, and it was supposed to ship today:


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May 26, 2011

Please note that product availability can change rapidly, and it is
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may even receive a shipment confirmation between the time we send this
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You will receive an email notification once your order has been shipped.
We encourage you to visit: <http://www.apple.com/orderstatus>.

We appreciate your business and apologize for any inconvenience this
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So you joined today for the sole purpose of supporting a very questionable digitimes rumor, which coincidentally the hedge funds also are circulating ( some of the same bozos who were claiming no iPads until summer).
 
Ummm, they are probably looking for skilled, motivated, and slightly educated workers. Plus, it will be hard for people with fat fingers and big guts to assemble such elegant and precise devices.

Like all those people who work for Texas Instruments?

Let's see... white people, check. South, check. Bigoted statements approved!
 
That is easy. Yes, I would. One company needs to make the bold move and others will follow. I only picked Apple because they basically sell everything they make so they would provide more jobs and they are a leader in the industry and it would make news for others to follow. I think it would be cool if Dell did this because they are a high volume and well known name.

There is no guarantee that they will always sell everything they sell. ( I hope so, but competition will always be there)

And, let's say they don't what then?
Factories shouldn't be built based on thinking it will go on positively forever.
I think the US auto industry has demonstrated that clearly.

People act as if owning a factory is easy. (I actually own a small factory, so I know it's not.
I am in a niche field and easily compete with the Far East))

Apple would have to add substantial personnel to manage such a place, which takes away from what they really want to do. (Build great devices people want to buy)

It is far easier NOT to own a factory. You buy whatever you need at an agreed upon price when you need it. And when you don't have anything you need, you don't have a factory and workers to worry about.

If you have issues with your suppliers you work with them to fix them or you go to another manufacturer.

Try that with your own place. QC is bad, get another manager, QC is still bad get another one etc.

You are never in the driver's seat when you own a factory!

The overall wages workers would be paid aren't even the problem. The administration, laws, unions, taxes etc. are what makes it undesirable to own a factory.

Plus, any slightest mishap or work issue would be on the front pages of all the magazines.

Apple is a smart company , hence no factory in the US!
 
Foxconn planned 52 iPad production lines?

Slackers.

Should have aimed for at least 70.

Idea: Since they're short on labor, go work for them...

But you might want to do some research as to the conditions Foxconn employees get to endure...
 
Price 16gb wifi $4,999.99. I wish they would however prices would go up but more Americans would be employed and the pay would have to be around $15 an hour for that kind of work.

Why would they go up more?

Why should they go up more?

Companies have been offshoring, whittling down worker wages, having older workers train cheaper replacements under threat of not receiving unemployment benefits... and all just so the execs can pocket the difference to inflate their own profit margins, telling us a service economy is okay and therefore we don't need to manufacture... and now we're being told we have to be better-educated. (So given the costs of college, somebody has to give a little somewhere... and when the charts are tallied, workers have sacrificed a lot.)
 
Unions

As much as I detest unions, unfortunately, I think they are still needed. Do you think the companies that employ union workers would, out of the graciousness of their hearts, continue to increase pay and benefits if the collective bargaining agreements weren't in place? I work at a large company that employs unions. The union members continue to thrive financially, top mgmt compensation grows every day and the ones getting the squeeze are us.......the middle mgmt and nonunion administrative type people. I can't believe that here the top mgmt would continue to benefits to the union workers if there were no union and no collective bargaining.

If we ever think we can bring some manufacturing back to the US, we need to build a business climate that will accommodate that. And manufacturing lost likely won't come back. It'll be something new like wind turbines or some new industry.
 
Price 16gb wifi $4,999.99. I wish they would however prices would go up but more Americans would be employed and the pay would have to be around $15 an hour for that kind of work.

Apple's margins are large enough to pay every single worker $100 per hour and still turn a hefty profit. Apple sells $800 worth of parts inside a shiny case for $3,000, you know they could. :rolleyes:
 
Diversity

Problems with Japanese parts are only the tip of the iceberg. Japan was extremely well prepared for a quake, but its preparation still failed due to the unforseen. China isn't remotely ready for quakes, as one a few years back demonstrated.

There's also politics. The 'go where the labor is cheapest' policies at Apple and their kindred in Silicon Valley are serious mistakes. China is a repressive, top-down dictatorship that's attempting to square the circle, growing a capitalistic economy without providing political and religious freedom. That isn't going to work. Nor is Taiwan an alternative. The two governments are at odds with each other. Trouble in China could lead to serious problems in Taiwan and even war.

Apple needs to diversify their production, even if that cuts into profitability. And they particularly need to follow the lead of Asian and European automakers and move much of that production to the U.S. Apple's execs, I suspect, think that every state is as dreadful for manufacturing as their native California. That isn't so. And they think that factories in the U.S. have to be like factories in Detroit. Again, not so.

Keep in mind that production is more than machinery. You can't simply throw up a building, order equipment, and start making iPads someplace new when an older and cheaper place explodes into chaos. You need skilled workers and trained management and that doesn't grow up overnight.

The lack of geographic diversity in Apple's production is a ticking time bomb. Sometime in the future it will explode and cost Apple a lot more than it'd cost now to do things right.
 
Apple needs to diversify their production, even if that cuts into profitability. And they particularly need to follow the lead of Asian and European automakers and move much of that production to the U.S. Apple's execs, I suspect, think that every state is as dreadful for manufacturing as their native California. That isn't so. And they think that factories in the U.S. have to be like factories in Detroit. Again, not so.

Keep in mind that production is more than machinery. You can't simply throw up a building, order equipment, and start making iPads someplace new when an older and cheaper place explodes into chaos. You need skilled workers and trained management and that doesn't grow up overnight.

The lack of geographic diversity in Apple's production is a ticking time bomb. Sometime in the future it will explode and cost Apple a lot more than it'd cost now to do things right.

Agreed they need to diversify and they eventually will but it won't be in the US because Apple's supply chain for it's products is basically in asia, short of some chips make in intel's us fabs but packaged worldwide. Basically they would have to convince their major suppliers to setup production in the us like parts suppliers in the detroit auto industry. Instead they will likely open factories in other low labor cost Asian counties like Vietnam, Malaysia, Philippines if china starts to get to unstable. If they were to come to the US they definitely would use tons more automation to offset labor costs so less jobs created.
 
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