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Should all Apple laptops come with Retina Display now?
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No.
I would not like it with current tech. GPU load would be greatly increased, meaning shorter battery life and higher temps.
Give it a year or two though, and the situation will be different.
Also, the iPhone 4 has been out for nearly 2 years and that didn't force the industry to update all PC's to those high pixel resolutions.
Also it is limited by what is available and cost, Apple doesn't manufacture screens, so they are limited by what is being made.
I don't understand your point. All I said was the iPad does NOT have the same amount of pixels on the screen as the 27" iMac. That's all. I mentioned nothing about density.
Yes, between these two device. I'm with you in this. But if you think about a big screen... I don't know. I have to move really, really close to my 27" iMac in order to notice a single pixel.
Surely there would be a massive difference in perceived quality. Take the iPad 2 vs iPad 3 - the difference they say in screen quality is unbelievable? I'd love that sort of quality screen on my macs!
I beg to differ
Why, one rarely positions a laptop 3 metres from his eyes. Nor does one generally peep at an iPhone screen from a distance of a few centimetres.
You think, a retina display for a desktop (laptop) is too much to ask before you see one. I bet, you'd change your mind once you do.
I would say, the issue with retina displays right now is accounted for the limitations of the storage (and, to a lesser degree, the read/write speeds of HDDs). Even without a retina display, our computer use is grossly compromised by the severe limitations of the available storage.
I also see counter-progressive tendencies in technology since AT&T's resort to cap data use and to fetch up the prices. The rest of the worldwide telecom cartel obviously followed suit.
Why, one rarely positions a laptop 3 metres from his eyes. Nor does one generally peep at an iPhone screen from a distance of a few centimetres.
You think, a retina display for a desktop (laptop) is too much to ask before you see one. I bet, you'd change your mind once you do.
I would say, the issue with retina displays right now is accounted for the limitations of the storage (and, to a lesser degree, the read/write speeds of HDDs). Even without a retina display, our computer use is grossly compromised by the severe limitations of the available storage.
I also see counter-progressive tendencies in technology since AT&T's resort to cap data use and to fetch up the prices. The rest of the worldwide telecom cartel obviously followed suit.
But that means that technically it has about 2x the pixels on screen by size. So blow that screen up to 27" and it would have an enormous resolution.
While reading?
I haven't seen the "new iPad" yet; have you? If not, we really cannot say. But I would certainly expect a 242% increase in pixel density to yield a considerable improvement in readability.
I haven't seen the "new iPad" yet; have you? If not, we really cannot say. But I would certainly expect a 242% increase in pixel density to yield a considerable improvement in readability.
It is not a matter of noticing a single pixel, it is that objects have to be anti-aliased to appears smooth, so hiding the individual pixels most of the time, but not the effects. But the lower the pixel density, the more blurred the edges become to accommodate that. This is not an issue at retina resolutions.
Text rendering is so much better at higher resolutions because of the hard edges. It gives a big improvement in avoiding eyestrain.
Nice idea, but if high PPI displays really take off, then the other big OEMs are also going to want to get in on the bidding, thus driving up the prices significantly. Apple will have no doubt contractually secured enough supplies to cover the anticipated demand for the iPad. However, they will find it increasingly difficult to continue to play the same game in the future until production capacity has been increased to the point that it can once again meet global demand. I don't know how long this process will take, but guess that we're talking about several years here.
Ok, considering the upcoming 2012 MBA 13" will have the HD4000 GPU... which of the following options you'd go for:
Guys, let's not forget that more resolution equals to more stress on the GPU and the battery life. I mean, look at the iPad 3: it has a larger battery but it doesnt have any better battery life. Why do you think that is the case?
So, pick your choice: better screen resolution vs. better graphic performance + battery life. Dont fool yourself: you cannot have both. So this begs the question: do we really need ultra-high resolution on a MBA-like laptop?
- Keep the current resolution (1440x900) and benefit from a 30% graphic performance boost over the current HD3000 (plus longer battery life)
- Bump to a retina resolution (let's say 2560x1440) and stress the HD4000 (and the battery) and thus probably not benefiting from any performance boost.
Guys, let's not forget that more resolution equals to more stress on the GPU and the battery life. I mean, look at the iPad 3: it has a larger battery but it doesnt have any better battery life. Why do you think that is the case?
So, pick your choice: better screen resolution vs. better graphic performance + battery life. Dont fool yourself: you cannot have both. So this begs the question: do we really need ultra-high resolution on a MBA-like laptop?
What I am about to suggest is cringe worthy to think about, but here is usable example. Walk into a Sony Store, or any store that may carry it, and check out the 13.1in Vaio Z(shudders) with the 1080p display and see how usable that could be. It looks like a nice machine worth buying if it wasn't cursed with poor hardware and software.
no, there is no point to that.
1. iPad has a touch screen your MBA doesn't.
2. you can already zoom so much with Preview, what are you trying to see?
Porn?
Seriously, even with porn, you don't need retina display, your MBA will do the job just fine.
Now, your MBA has better purpose than that.
1. iPad has a touch screen your MBA doesn't.
2. you can already zoom so much with Preview, what are you trying to see?
Porn?
Seriously, even with porn, you don't need retina display, your MBA will do the job just fine.
Now, your MBA has better purpose than that.
Mba
I'd certainly like to see the 11" MBA come out with a Retina display, why not? Sony already has a 13" display that is a full 1080p resolution. I don't see why Apple couldn't do a 2560x1440 resolution on the MBAs and 3200x2100 or 3840x2160 on the MBPs. Heck the Samsung Galaxy S3 is supposed to have a true 1080p display on a 4.8" screen. If a phone can do it, no reason why a laptop can't.
As for gaming; certainly I can understand that people want that capability on their machines, but I've just never understood why that is so critical. Honestly, I could care less whether any games ran on a Mac. I'd rather them attend to those working on their systems first and address gaming later; there are phones, consoles, tablets, etc. to provide for the gaming experience. It would be nice to see the MBAs and MBPs go with higher resolution devices first...
I'd certainly like to see the 11" MBA come out with a Retina display, why not? Sony already has a 13" display that is a full 1080p resolution. I don't see why Apple couldn't do a 2560x1440 resolution on the MBAs and 3200x2100 or 3840x2160 on the MBPs. Heck the Samsung Galaxy S3 is supposed to have a true 1080p display on a 4.8" screen. If a phone can do it, no reason why a laptop can't.
As for gaming; certainly I can understand that people want that capability on their machines, but I've just never understood why that is so critical. Honestly, I could care less whether any games ran on a Mac. I'd rather them attend to those working on their systems first and address gaming later; there are phones, consoles, tablets, etc. to provide for the gaming experience. It would be nice to see the MBAs and MBPs go with higher resolution devices first...
If I got crisp text to match that now available on iOS, that would be enough of a benefit to warrant Retina Macs, but that wouldn't be the only benefit.
I would rather that is what Macs got from iOS, instead of the dubious features Lion got, and Mountain Lion will be getting.
I would rather that is what Macs got from iOS, instead of the dubious features Lion got, and Mountain Lion will be getting.
ppi is only part of what you actually see..
The higher resolution on the iPhone and iPad is great because you tend to hold them much closer to your face to view them, so you notice the higher resolution.
A laptop and certainly desktops tend to be viewed at a further distance.
Its a well known fact that the human eye can not tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on an HD TV once sat a certain distance away from the screen (i.e. about 10-12 feet for a 42 inch screen). At that distance if the entire picture was white and just 1 pixel was black, most people wouldn't be able to see the single black pixel.
The same logic applies to any devices like iPads, laptops etc, hence why a retina display would be of less use on them.
You can't argue with science.
Try an experiment with this image and stand back 10 feet see if you notice the difference between the above mentioned resolutions. Enlarge the image below. Can you tell the difference between 720p and 1080p HD resolutions?
I know this doesn't cover smaller higher res devices but it explains the logic behind it.
The higher resolution on the iPhone and iPad is great because you tend to hold them much closer to your face to view them, so you notice the higher resolution.
A laptop and certainly desktops tend to be viewed at a further distance.
Its a well known fact that the human eye can not tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on an HD TV once sat a certain distance away from the screen (i.e. about 10-12 feet for a 42 inch screen). At that distance if the entire picture was white and just 1 pixel was black, most people wouldn't be able to see the single black pixel.
The same logic applies to any devices like iPads, laptops etc, hence why a retina display would be of less use on them.
You can't argue with science.
Try an experiment with this image and stand back 10 feet see if you notice the difference between the above mentioned resolutions. Enlarge the image below. Can you tell the difference between 720p and 1080p HD resolutions?
I know this doesn't cover smaller higher res devices but it explains the logic behind it.
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Let the new ipad be a lesson for all near future device.
Apple needs to diversify their product line a bit within same category.
Why not introduce 2 ipad..
ipad HD w/ current resolution w/ 10 hour battery life
AND
ipad 3 w/ same old resolution but w/ 20 hour battery life..
Why the hell NOT?
And I am so sorry, but if technology is getting better enough for macbook to keep same battery life but be able to drive that much high resolution like ipad, I rather get 14 hour battery life on new macbook than unnecessary resolution bump.
Apple needs to diversify their product line a bit within same category.
Why not introduce 2 ipad..
ipad HD w/ current resolution w/ 10 hour battery life
AND
ipad 3 w/ same old resolution but w/ 20 hour battery life..
Why the hell NOT?
And I am so sorry, but if technology is getting better enough for macbook to keep same battery life but be able to drive that much high resolution like ipad, I rather get 14 hour battery life on new macbook than unnecessary resolution bump.
I hope they don't make a retina Air, at least not in the same way the iPad is doing it. I'd rather have a higher resolution that gives me more screen real estate instead of just doubling the vertical and horizontal pixel, showing everything clearer when I hold it an inch from my face.
In future sure... but not now. I don't want to sacrifice battery and GPU power plus internet bandwidth would double since pictures would have to be bigger to take advantage of "retina" render... come to think of it I doubt it will happen any time soon unless it will be done halfassed.
In future sure... but not now. I don't want to sacrifice battery and GPU power plus internet bandwidth would double since pictures would have to be bigger to take advantage of "retina" render... come to think of it I doubt it will happen any time soon unless it will be done halfassed.
This is exactly why I don't think they will do it...because people don't need it
There are people that want it, because they chase the "stats" and think it gives them something, when in reality the truth is quite the opposite.