AidenShaw
macrumors P6
Substitute "phone" or "personal computer" for "cloud", and you have an argument about why nobody should develop for IOS or OSX. They're both minority platforms.
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Should Apple buy Microsoft?
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Zirel
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iOS is the biggest platform in the mobile area with double the revenue than the next one, most people buy android phones only to use the free apps by google and the OEMs, and the vast majority people pirate apps instead of buying and another good part doesn't have space on their 4GB and 8GB phones and tablets.
macOS the the biggest platform in high end computers, it's a tiny narketshare than windows, but most windows machines are crap Intel Atom and the likes.
belvdr
macrumors 603
If the majority of Android users are only using the free apps by Google, what are they pirating? You can't be a pirate and only use the free apps that come with the device.
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
Do you mean "high end computers", or "over-priced computers"?
Most Apples are definitely low-end or mid-range systems, but with price tags far above anything from the Windows world. (And that's before adding in hundreds of dollars of dongles necessary to make them usable.)
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
There is an apple tax to be sure, but they are not low end (or mid range) products. I've been pricing out laptops and given what they use for components the MBP is definitely a high end, premium machine. Whether you think its worth the > 2k price is another question but the sentiment among the reviewers I've seen is that its the best designed and crafted laptop out there. On the iMac front, I bought a 5k iMac for 2k, if I wanted a comparable system from Dell, it would have cost me over 3,000 for a 5k monitor and cpu.
The components apple use are not low end, few if any laptop makers use a 45w TDP CPU, the screens are the brightest and color gamut is one of the best. Only now companies like dell are offering P3 type displays. The SSD in the MBPs are by far the fastest on the market by a long shot. Apple generally squeezes more battery life out of every laptop. The dell 4k XPS laptop can only manage 4 hours, but the MBP gets 10.
You can debate whether you pay an apple tax and if its worth it, but I think you'll lose the argument that apple is a low end system every time.
belvdr
macrumors 603
I think the low-end to high-end discussion is subjective. High-end to me is large amounts of RAM and a decent CPU, but to a mechanical engineer, high-end may be large amounts of RAM and a decent GPU.
I think Apple has decent machines, but only when running OS X. Running Windows on various machines, I've noticed lower battery life and increased temperatures. Maybe they have solved that but I don't attempt it anymore. For running Windows natively, I feel there are better machines to be had elsewhere.
I think Apple has decent machines, but only when running OS X. Running Windows on various machines, I've noticed lower battery life and increased temperatures. Maybe they have solved that but I don't attempt it anymore. For running Windows natively, I feel there are better machines to be had elsewhere.
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
My "low to mid-range" comment was a reference to performance, not a comment on the quality of the components.
Lack of RAM capacity, weak GPUs, and low GHz/core count CPUs, are what makes them low to mid-range in my view.
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Zirel
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Did you mean "over-priced computers" or "I hate Apple, I don't know what a good computer is or is not, and I hate people that buy Apple computers, and I just came here to alleviate my pressure"?
A good PC costa the same as an equivalent Mac.
See SurfaceBook, more expensive than a MacBook, yet worse specs.
frankgrimes
macrumors 6502a
Never going to happen, MS would block it and the government would also block it.
MS has a defacto monopol on the OS market, is gigantic and tons of OEMs are bound to it.
MS has a defacto monopol on the OS market, is gigantic and tons of OEMs are bound to it.
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
When making those comparisons, be sure to use actual selling prices and not the MSRP.
v0lume4
macrumors 68030
Satya Nadella is brilliant. He's finally taken Microsoft out of the 90's. Microsoft really needed someone to do it.
Zirel
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maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
While I may disagree with some of his decisions (not that I'm any smarter then he is), I think he's injected a lot of life back into MS. Windows 10 is a solid OS, the Surface products while pricey are very good. I see MS really swinging for the fences in terms of innovation.
On the flip side, I can't help but make the the Balmer/Cook connection - Why Tim Cook is Steve Ballmer
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That is one fugly laptop, I'd be embarrassed to lug that thing around
belvdr
macrumors 603
That's at least one (maybe more) generation behind the latest, even though it is still sold. Also consider if you really need one of these, looks are not the primary concern. 🙂
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
I understand but Dell has made a lot of strides in creating beautifully designed machines, the XPS 15 is a prime example. I understand your point however, people buy those for computing power and not for looks.
belvdr
macrumors 603
They have done that. I have the 2013 version of the XPS 15 (model L521x). While heavy, it fits the bill for mobile virtualization and testing of database configurations.
They are also doing things with servers that other manufacturers are missing out on. I deployed a Dell CUDA server about 18 months ago that is 1U and contains 4 x Tesla K80 GPUs. That thing rocks!
Zirel
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I don't get why you write in such a careful and non-conflicting manner just to put trollbait in the end.
v0lume4
macrumors 68030
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
Thank you. It's unfortunate when the response to a post is "but it's fugly".
My workstations sit on the floor under my desks. As long as they are quiet and don't look like a Smurf hotel, their exterior design is irrelevant.
![PowerMac_G3_3q[1].jpg](https://forums.macrumors.com/data/attachments/604/604179-8e6e7f7e7a44483492659380c4f08e73.jpg?hash=jm5_fnpESD "PowerMac_G3_3q[1].jpg")
Smurf Hotel
v0lume4
macrumors 68030
Funny how designs like that would pass 15 years ago but never by today's standards.
(Which computer is that anyway? Looks like a Mac Pro?)
edit: Power Mac?
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
Power Mac G3 B&W (blue and white)
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g3/specs/powermac_g3_350_bl.html
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
Although I've pointed out the highly performant "portable workstations" here - and three of my five laptops are in that category, my everyday laptop (the one that's in my daypack and carryon bags) is a Lenovo T460s with FHD touch screen. If I need more power when traveling, the W-series is in my checked baggage. The W-series are too big and heavy to haul around for email/web use - but they're invaluable when you need a few TB and 32 GiB RAM on the portable
And, BTW, I'm astonished at Apple's ostrich with its "head in the sand" attitude about touch on laptops.
How many of you have tried to scroll a webpage by touching the screen of your laptop? Be honest. It's a natural carryover from using a touch phone (and on an airplane far better than trying to use a mouse or a touchpad).
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Zirel
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It is crap, you'll get tired of it fast.
The trackpad on MacBook is more responsive, and has more precision.
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
I've had touch screen 14" Lenovos since December 2014, and I still like them.
Non-touch just seems old-school.