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I use copilot on my smart phones.

one time fee and free updates forever.
They make the money on business version which most couriers use in that thing you sign.

I sue it as can select what vehicle you are in (even on foot) and will plan route for said vehicle.
e.g. avoiding little roads if your in an RV or towing.

only thing is maps are downloaded to device so no internet required, this was not so good on a 16GB iphone.
My android phone has 32GB onboard and a 128GB sd card so no issues.
 
I tried to create a route to a big local shopping mall. I searched for the name of the mall but it replied "No items meet the search criteria". How come? The interface seems to be a bit different now compared with the demo on youtube. What symbol do I use to separate the city name and the destination (mall name or street name and number).
[doublepost=1495457820][/doublepost]Does the app accept voice command?
1. Don't know. Maybe the shopping mall isn't included in the app's database.
2. Maybe a comma? Give it a try.
3. Don't know.

- I don't know any of the answers to your questions about Sygic because I just use Apple's Maps app. It's been doing well enough for me, and it's easy to use with how it's tied into Mail, Messages, and Safari (they usually parse addresses into usable data). Plus, it sends turn-by-turn to my watch, and I also like it better with my new car's CarPlay interface than the Garmin-based software it came with.

And, as far as data goes, it doesn't seem to suck down much data over cellular. I'm nowhere near my monthly data cap anyway, so I'm not concerned.
 
1. Don't know. Maybe the shopping mall isn't included in the app's database.
2. Maybe a comma? Give it a try.
3. Don't know.

- I don't know any of the answers to your questions about Sygic because I just use Apple's Maps app. It's been doing well enough for me, and it's easy to use with how it's tied into Mail, Messages, and Safari (they usually parse addresses into usable data). Plus, it sends turn-by-turn to my watch, and I also like it better with my new car's CarPlay interface than the Garmin-based software it came with.

And, as far as data goes, it doesn't seem to suck down much data over cellular. I'm nowhere near my monthly data cap anyway, so I'm not concerned.


I usually use Maps when I walk. However, one problem I have with the app is that it showed me going through a large empty field while I was on a bus route. It has happened a few times already.
 
I usually use Maps when I walk. However, one problem I have with the app is that it showed me going through a large empty field while I was on a bus route. It has happened a few times already.
Well, in that particular instance, you're on a bus, so it's not like you're going to mistakenly turn left. ;)
 
How is the charger in the Kenu Carkit Deluxe compared with the following ones? The Kenu Carkit is only available through online stores. Can the iPhone 6s+ handle 3.4A/17W?

Belkin Dual Car Charger (3.4A/17W) with Buildt-in Lightning Cable
Belkin Dual Car Charger (2.4A/12W) with Buildt-in Lightning Cable
Belkin Car Charger (2.4A/12W) with Detachable Lightning Cable
 
Ive been using a navigation app on iPhones for years now. I use TomTom which lets you download the map physically onto the phone, just like your standalone. It works perfectly, seems to be as accurate / more accurate than the cars built in, and is nicer to use.

If you listen to Accidental Tech Podcast there was an episode where Marco said the gps positioning ability of a phone was not as good as a car or a dedicated sat nav, but my experience is that it is just as good, and John Siracusa said his experience was good in the same episode. However, I don't know if a city made up of very tall sky scrapers is different. I have no problems in London.

Errors can be mapping errors. I find the UK maps are almost faultless, but there is another country I go to where there is the odd error, and its clear its a map error. In that case the mapping is made by the governments own mapping agency, and you could find the same errors in any option you go for. Cities are usually better mapped than rural areas in my experience. An error like yours could be a mapping fault or bad routing on the part of Garmin.

The first TomTom satnav I bought was top quality. The last was a piece of crap. Slow like you say, bad touch screen, no space and crashed regularly. I suspect the business case is much weaker now for the standalone, so they build them down to a price.
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I have two garmins nuvi 750 and another...I call them the Wild Goose Chase Device.......................it will give you wrong directions 65% of the time or more...yes I have the latest map.....it is worthless other than create some light in a dark car at night.
 
Oh yeah --

I usually use Maps when I walk. However, one problem I have with the app is that it showed me going through a large empty field while I was on a bus route. It has happened a few times already.
You can report the problem to Apple and see if they'll update it.

I've done it a few times, mainly to tell them about new destinations or update incorrect locations (like the "pin" being around the corner from the actual address), and I think they've always responded within a couple weeks to say it's been fixed.

Working from memory here as I can't have my phone in the office:
In Maps, in the screen where you choose between a plain view and a satellite image, keep scrolling down until you see something like, "Report an issue..." Tap that, and then follow the prompts.

Maybe the map data is out of date in your instance. Is it a relatively new road? Or has it been around a long time but the GPS thinks you're in the wrong spot? Does the map even have the name of the road you're using when it claims you're in an open field?

We've got friends in Pennsylvania whose entire neighborhood is new enough that it didn't exist in the satellite images used by Maps the last time I looked. I probably sent an issue report about it to Apple, too.
 
If data isn't an issue I'd go with Apple maps.

If data is an issue then google maps. It'll allow you to download your area so there isn't any additional data cost unless you want traffic data.
 
Waze can be hazardous if you blindly follow its advice.

Speaking from experience in the SF Bay area, both urban and in the peninsula mountains:

* Waze re-routes from freeways onto surface streets without consideration of consequences to retail or neighborhoods. I'm thinking of beach traffic going via Highway 17 south to Santa Cruz. This regularly exceeds the highway's capacity so traffic stalls. Waze then reroutes traffic into the town of Los Gatos since this has several exit/entrances which appear to bypass the highway. But within minutes the town is utterly gridlocked by the diverted volume, for hours at a time. Waze doesn't adjust in realtime, and it hasn't cooperated with the town. This year Los Gatos has state permission to close its southmost highway entrance to disable the diversion.

* In this winter's heavy rains with mountain highway damages and road closings, Waze diverted traffic to alternative mountain roads without consideration of road classification. Not every mountain road can carry a UPS or propane delivery truck. Even larger trucks attempted 1.5-lane roads with hairpin turns which ordinarily were used only by area residents. No great hilarity ensued - lives were endangered.

I dunno if dedicated GPS units like Garmin with their traffic service received by radio (here.com) are any better on diversions - altho I use a Garmin I know the region well enough to choose my own diversions when it shows slow traffic. But Waze is very widely used and abused.


While I have never owned a standalone GPS unit, I'd tried a bunch of iOS GPS navigation apps and I've stuck with freeware Waze (I started using it before it was acquired by Google).

The main reason for this is crowd sourced real-time road conditions, and we're not just talking traffic or accidents. Stuff like road construction, objects on road (including roadkill), vehicles parked on shoulder, police, etc. While the user provided reports might be scant in less populated areas, it works really, really well in large American metropolitan areas like the SF Bay Area.

I even use Waze on my normal commute -- not because I need instructions on where to go -- but primarily for the real-time road conditions.

Plus, Waze has developed some canny real-time turn-by-turn navigation based on actual traffic conditions. Sometimes it will tell you to get off a congested freeway and take surface streets to get to your destination. For sure, when you are using Waze on your smartphone, you are transmitting data back to the Waze servers.
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I have tried the Sygic. Better UI and respond than Garmin GPS. However, my iPhone gets very warm quickly. Will this shorten the life of the iPhone in the long run?
 
Just used Sygic to drive home. I have the following issues:

1. Other app notifications blocked part of the screen when I relied on the map in heavy traffic situation. Shall I turn off all app notifications? Is there a way to rurn off and on all apps notifications in one touch?

2. How can I prevent somebody from calling me? Don't want to be interrupted during driving nor make phone calls. Safety is the most important.

3. I had my mom holding my iPhone 6s+ next to me. Sometimes it was a bit hard to see. Should get a mount that doesn't block the windshield but allow the device to be close to me for easy reading. Any recommendations? I have poor eyesight.

4. Do you think it is a good idea to get an iPad mini or whichever cheap iPad Apple just announced? Any good car mount for iPad mini?

If I don't use the app, I will buy the Garmin gps with close to 7" screen.
 
Your mom was holding the phone so YOU could see it?

No. If someone is in the car with you, you don't need to look at the screen. The other person needs to be your copilot.
 
Just used Sygic to drive home. I have the following issues:

1. Other app notifications blocked part of the screen when I relied on the map in heavy traffic situation. Shall I turn off all app notifications? Is there a way to rurn off and on all apps notifications in one touch?

2. How can I prevent somebody from calling me? Don't want to be interrupted during driving nor make phone calls. Safety is the most important.

3. I had my mom holding my iPhone 6s+ next to me. Sometimes it was a bit hard to see. Should get a mount that doesn't block the windshield but allow the device to be close to me for easy reading. Any recommendations? I have poor eyesight.

4. Do you think it is a good idea to get an iPad mini or whichever cheap iPad Apple just announced? Any good car mount for iPad mini?

If I don't use the app, I will buy the Garmin gps with close to 7" screen.
Okay, a lot of questions, I'll try to offer some suggestions.

1. It's really up to you. I configure most of my apps not to notify me. Some are badge only, most have no audio. The few that I do allow to notify me are basically configured as banners, not alerts (which require some sort of user interaction). The "Do Not Disturb" mode may help you, but it's really up to you to decide how you want your device to behave.

2. You can't prevent anyone from calling you. They don't know if you're eating lunch, sleeping, driving, taking a shower, in a meeting, or having sex. Again, "Do Not Disturb" mode may adequately handling this or you can simply ignore the call and let it go to voicemail, what your phone would do anyhow in many of those situations. No one is pointing a gun at your head telling you to answer your phone. Not answering your phone was an option for decades when most phones were landlines and before there were answering machines. In fact, many people got answering machines and used them to screen calls.

I receive relatively few phone calls so this is not an issue for me.

3. A dashboard smartphone mount would put the handset in close proximity and not far from where you are trying to keep your attention (the road). There are plenty of products that do this, up to you to decide what you want to spend and how you want it installed in your particular vehicle. If you have bad eyesight, you may want to budget for a new pair of glasses though. That will help you in far more situations than trying to read a smartphone's GPS app.

I can't count on my mom to hold my cellphone when I'm driving. She's not often available for my regular driving. The smartphone car mount never complains about leaving at 6:30am. Besides, my mom would probably press something on the screen which might wipe out the navigation display.

4. I suggest you try a little longer with your current smartphone. Adding an iPad mini to this mix would incur additional costs: the device itself, a car mount, a data plan, etc. Of course, you do get a tablet out of it. A 7" standalone GPS unit makes a very nice paperweight when it is not being used for navigation.

If none of these answer compel you to continue using your iPhone as a GPS navi tool, go ahead and get the Garmin. They are still in business, so clearly there is a market for their products.

Good luck.
 
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I guess I'm one of the few who still prefers the standalone GPS units for in-car navigation. I agree that they are slower and don't have screens as nice as an iPhone, but I feel like their interfaces are easier to use and I like having one installed in a semi-permanent mount connected to hidden power. Since they are so cheap, I don't feel compelled to remove it from the mount when I leave the car (and my mount makes it look as though it's built into the car). Plus I use my phone for music exclusively, so I really hate having a GPS voice constantly cutting into my audio (and I listen to music at a level which makes guided instructions quite embarrassing). My Garmin cost around $120 in 2014, with a 5" screen, lifetime maps and lifetime traffic. I'd imagine you could get an even nicer one for around the same price these days.
 
Thanks for the suggestions. I will try out the "Do Not Disturb" mode on tomorrow. After using the Sygic and Waze apps, I don't think I will go back to Garmin gps. I also like possible zoom-in features if there is any. The thing to decide now is whether to run the app with an iPhone 6s+ or purchase an iPad Mini 4 or iPad 9.7". My Samsung Galaxy Note PRO is 12.2". Probably too big and cause interference.

I know some people hang a 7" Garmin on the windshield. No plan to do that. Probably get something to hang the iPhone/iPad like the one shown in the following link:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Exogear-Exo...r-for-iPad-Mini-Galaxy-Note-8-0-/151055629100

I wonder why most car mounts do not allow rotation about the yaw-axis.

As far as I know, Wifi + Cellular models of iPad have built-in GPS. The Wifi-only models don't have GPS built-in.
Sygic and Waze can load the maps into the device. Why do I need a data plan if I get an iPad?

I have tried a Garmin 5" GPS. Gave me wrong directions, slow respond, poor graphics and screen too small to see.
 
As far as I know, Wifi + Cellular models of iPad have built-in GPS. The Wifi-only models don't have GPS built-in.
Sygic and Waze can load the maps into the device.
In my years of using Waze, I have never recalled seeing an option to download maps. From its beginning, the Waze app was designed to work with a cellular data network and downloads data on the fly. Waze will prefetch a certain amount of map data in your vicinity when you have access to a network connection, but you can't tell it to download an entire state, the SF Bay Area, a radius of 100 miles, etc.

Over the years, some people have developed workarounds to preload some map data on Waze, but these techniques have always been rather kludgey. Search The Fine Internet for some of these discussions. I've never found anything that is simple and elegant to preload specific map data for Waze.

The WiFi only iPad will not have a GPS chip, so you are relying on WiFi triangulation at highway speeds to locate you, something that will be unreliable at best.

Why do I need a data plan if I get an iPad?
As previously mentioned by myself and several others, the greatest benefit of Waze is real-time traffic and crowd sourced, user submitted road incidents. You need a cellular data plan in an iPad for that. You could probably get them from tethering (to your iPhone or an MiFi), but again the accuracy of Location Services will be extremely spotty on a WiFi-only iPad.

If real-time traffic and road incidents are of no interest to you, you might as well just use the Garmin you already own rather than pay a chunk of change for an iPad mini.
 
In my years of using Waze, I have never recalled seeing an option to download maps. From its beginning, the Waze app was designed to work with a cellular data network and downloads data on the fly. Waze will prefetch a certain amount of map data in your vicinity when you have access to a network connection, but you can't tell it to download an entire state, the SF Bay Area, a radius of 100 miles, etc.

Over the years, some people have developed workarounds to preload some map data on Waze, but these techniques have always been rather kludgey. Search The Fine Internet for some of these discussions. I've never found anything that is simple and elegant to preload specific map data for Waze.

The WiFi only iPad will not have a GPS chip, so you are relying on WiFi triangulation at highway speeds to locate you, something that will be unreliable at best.


As previously mentioned by myself and several others, the greatest benefit of Waze is real-time traffic and crowd sourced, user submitted road incidents. You need a cellular data plan in an iPad for that. You could probably get them from tethering (to your iPhone or an MiFi), but again the accuracy of Location Services will be extremely spotty on a WiFi-only iPad.

If real-time traffic and road incidents are of no interest to you, you might as well just use the Garmin you already own rather than pay a chunk of change for an iPad mini.


Thanks. The Garmin's screen is too small for me. If I am going for Garmin device, I would exchange for an almost 7" one with multi-touch glass display. The cost would be just a bit less than an iPad.
 
Okay, for giggles, I brought my iPad mini running Waze to work with me on my 12-mile morning commute. It's a cellular model, but I kept cellular data off. It loaded the map while still on my home Wifi. It recognized that I was headed to work, but I declined turn-by-turn navigation and left it running.

Note that since GPS is still functional, the location was quite accurate during the commute. Of course, once I left home, it was starkly obvious that the iPad had no real-time traffic nor road incidents. It was just a dumb mapping app.

Meanwhile, Waze on my iPhone displayed all the real-time data with its active cellular data connection.

About 4-5 miles into my commute, I noticed one missing map tile on the iPad. Not a data glitch since the map tile was present on my iPhone. By mile 8, large numbers of missing map tiles littered the screen. By mile 10, the iPad screen was a grey void with just a vehicle arrow and the destination marker (work). It stayed that way until I got to work and the iPad reacquired my work's WiFi network.

Conclusion: Waze is not a good candidate for a GPS navigation app if you don't have a live data connection. There are plenty of other GPS navi apps that allow you to download offline maps.

Again, I don't see the point of a GPS navigation tool in 2017 that doesn't have real-time traffic and road incident reports. Those kind of standalone GPS mapping tools were adequate 10-15 years ago, but today, there are a ton of better solutions. In my mind, a GPS navigation tool that doesn't have real-time data is crippled.

It sounds like upgrading your existing Garmin would be the best solution if you are unwilling to pony up for a cellular data iPad mini and the accompanying cellular data plan. Waze doesn't need much but even for me, it probably needs 3-5 megs of data daily for my typical driving.

I signed up for T-Mobile US's now-discontinued "free iPad data for life" (which was 200MB per month) when I got my iPad mini. That amount of data would probably be adequate for my usual driving patterns (admittedly I dislike driving, so I don't spend a lot of time behind the wheel). I've never had an interest in using my iPad mini regularly in my car, so I've not used it as primary navigation tool, I just use my iPhone in a cradle.

If one wants real-time data and traffic incidents for an upcoming iPad purchase, one needs to budget the cost of a cellular data connection. T-Mobile US's free data deal is gone; existing free service plans will continue run, but they stopped taking new signups. Buying a WiFi iPad isn't going to result in a great GPS navigation tool, and even if you buy a cellular data equipped model, its accuracy will be better, but it still would lack real-time traffic and road reports unless you start tethering.

Anyhow, good luck with your purchase decision.
 
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The last day of 75% off Sales for the Premium + Traffic version of Sygic is on tomorrow. I am considering whether or not to buy it given the cost is $24.99. I have three issues:

1. Sometimes when I am supposed to head north, the app points to a route to head south. What is such error all about? Is it a bug?

2. When the app gave voice directions, I lowered the volumn a bit. Then, no sound came out from my iPhone 6s+ at all. It has happened several times. Do you have this issue? Is this a bug?

3. I have never used In-App Purchase. Is it reliable to do in-App Purchase from Sygic? It asked for somd kind of password to confirm the purchase. Not sure what that is.
 
Anybody knows how to display elevated buildings on the map like the one shown at 0:23, 0:39 in the video? I asked Sygic but the guy has no comment.

 
I suggest you try Google Maps, HERE WeGo, maybe CoPilot or Navmii (the latter two are payware).

If you go to the Navigation section of the App Store, there will be lists of Top Paid, Top Free, and Top Grossing. You can expand on those to see more apps ranked in each respective category.
 
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