Should I Cancel my MacBook Pro Retina 8GB RAM and switch to 16GB?

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  1. iRobby macrumors 6502a

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    At the moment I ordered the base model MacBook Pro Retina.

    But I'm concerned that I should've upgraded to 16GB only because in case it may be slower or laggy in future OSX updates after Mountain Lion.

    As far as my current uses the 8GB is enough. I'm just concerned with future OSX updates slowing down my machine.
     
  2. Spink10 macrumors 601

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    go for it!
     
  3. PCWebbJR macrumors member

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    If you're second guessing your purchase now, I'd say call up apple and upgrade to 16GB. It'll make things run much smoother, make you happier, and at $180 through the education store it's really not a major investment.
     
  4. Hungry&Foolish Suspended

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    Drive down to christiana apple store in DE. Its an hour drive from forked river, they have both in stock. buy then and there the one you want instead of waiting. Plus save a little on taxes.
     
  5. rick3000 macrumors 6502a

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    Unless you do heavy photo or video editing I think 8GB is plenty, but if you have the extra cash there is no reason not to get 16GB. Historically, Apple has always tried to streamline and make the OS faster/smaller.
     
  6. stevelam macrumors 65816

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    by the time OSX ever requires 8gb of ram (let alone 16), it'll require a better cpu. at that point you'll have to get a new computer anyway. i mean really, if your biggest ram concern is just for the OS, you don't need it.
     
  7. Hungry&Foolish Suspended

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    very apt advise,even anandtech in his review said pretty much what stevelam wrote.
     
  8. iRobby thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    At the time i ordered I was thinking what you said was true due to Apple shipping 4GB on the new MacBook Air base model. But being new to owning my first Mac and OSX not knowing any better I am concerned because I also see threads how Mountain Lion is slowing down 2010 models. However, the upgrade does bust my budget financially. Still not sure what to do after reading some responses here.
     
  9. Hungry&Foolish Suspended

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    The question of whether or not you should opt for the 16GB memory upgrade really depends on what you do with the system and how long you expect to use it. Without any form of socketed memory expansion, you’re stuck with the amount of memory you order on the system. Thankfully 8GB is healthy by today’s standards and likely will continue to be so for the next couple of years. If your present day workloads require 8GB of memory, then the 16GB option is a must have. If you’re looking at 16GB purely as future-proofing, chances are you’ll run into processor (or storage) limitations before you feel held back by memory. That being said, if you want to be kind to the next owner, ticking the 16GB box won’t hurt. ( Quote from Anandtech )
     
  10. Thors.Hammer macrumors member

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    The only reason I bought 16GB was to support running a couple of virtual machines. I could probably run them on an 8GB machine but the extra 8GB isn't all that expensive.
     
  11. iRobby, Aug 7, 2012
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    I took note of your mention of Anandtech and just watched his review on YouTube. And he stated for the standard user the 8Gb should last even more than what you stated he says 10 years or the lifetime of the machine unless you do video editing which I will not.Of course I'll be buying a new machine before 10 years. I'd lie to get at least 5 years out of it though.

    So since i'm probably not going to be using the maximum 8GB now but will in the future. perhaps i made the right choice? and don't need to switch my order.

    in hindsight, I probably should be more concerned with the 256GB SSD vs 512GB SSD but I definitely cant do the extra $500 for that so I may have to rely on Cloud storage or external storage in the future. which I am willing to sacrifice for the display and lighter thinner chassis.
     
  12. twietee macrumors 603

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    I wouldn't be concerned. You'll need external solutions anyway - be it cloud based and/or ext. drives - and 256gb is enough for programs and os and some other stuff as well. That said, if you need OSX as well as a Win partition with A LOT of programs installed on both partitions, I would consider the upgrade but only then. 500$ for the SSD-upgrade is way too much imho.
     
  13. clyde2801 macrumors 601

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    If you have a tight budget, do you have to have the retina? You could get a refurbed Sandy Bridge late 2011 MBP or find a good deal on a used one on CL. You can upgrade to 16 gb for >$100, and put a Crucial M4 512gb SSD for $400.

    Were you to do this route, get the ram NOW and wait as long as possible for SSD's to continue dropping in price while increasing in capacity.
     
  14. terraphantm macrumors 68040

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    OSX by itself on a fresh boot consumes ~2.4GB. So right now 4GB is pretty much the minimum if you want to be able to multitask. I can see that becoming 8GB by the next major OS release.

    If your usage goes beyond "typical" - then 8GB very well could become a limitation a year or two from now. 16GB itself may not be required, but since you don't have any choices in between, that's the way to go. IMO. The upgrade costs < 10% of the total price, it really shouldn't be breaking the bank for anyone who can afford this laptop.
     
  15. eric.john macrumors member

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    Exactly!! Unless you are going to be doing extensive work, i really see no point. But if you got the cash, why not? better now then later.
     
  16. Vulcan macrumors 65816

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    I decided not to upgrade. By the time 8GB isn't enough (which I think is pretty far off), the GPU and processor probably won't be all that great either.
     
  17. appletechpro macrumors regular

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    +1

    Mountain Lion only requires 2 GB RAM at this point. For the OS to even require 4 GB would be a 100% increase in memory requirement, which isn't something that happens overnight.
     
  18. iRobby, Aug 7, 2012
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    No my usage won't go beyond the 8GB. I understand the <10% point but I can use that $200 for a Rain Design m-Stand ($49) , Apple Wireless Keyboard ($69), and Magic Trackpad ($69).

    No i'm leaving PC Windows in the dust! I'm not putting Windows on it. It'll be all Apple ecosystem only.
     
  19. tivoboy macrumors 68030

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    16gb

    I went with 16GB. Today, I have 6GB and if I run a couple things, mail, ical, word, excel, and then CHROME, which is a total resource hog when one opens say 10+ tabs, I don't have enough free RAM to open a VM - which I use for a lot of work projects, etc..

    I figured, it wasn't too much to upgrade and wasn't a silly stupid amount compared to legacy Apple RAM premium. And, I know that doing things like photoshop, video or really ANY photo manipulation can definitely suck up a lot of RAM as well as more RAM makes things just go that much more smoothly.
     
  20. iRobby, Aug 7, 2012
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    Just got off Live Chat on the Apple Store and according to him I made the right choice with the Base 8GB vs 16GB:

    You are now chatting with Jacob

    ME: hello

    JACOB: HI! How may I be of assistance?

    ME: I have a a concern about an order I placed

    JACOB: Okay what questions do you have xactly?

    *exactly

    ME: I'm afraid i should have configurated my machine differently

    I ordered the MBPro Retina Base

    JACOB: I understand.

    ME: I'm worried about the 8GB RAM vs 16GB RAM

    JACOB: Alright what concerns do you have specifically?

    ME: I do not do heavy video editing

    but would use iPhoto

    JACOB: Okay

    ME: and basic iMovie

    JACOB: Great then 8GB will be well more than enough.

    ME: but not advanced Aperture or Final Cut Pro

    JACOB: Unless you are using Final Cut Pro or Cs6 - I would not worry about it at all.

    ME: I'm worried that with future OSX updates after Mountain Lion they may slow down my new machine

    I'm a media user music videos etc

    JACOB: Not at all! The new machines are designed to run the current and all upcoming future OSX releases. It is literally the most advanced Mac notebok you can get.

    ME: so I should save the extra 200 and use it for acceories

    JACOB: Absolutely.

    That is a great idea.

    ME: well just to be clear the uses i mentioned as well as internet browsing mail, and updateS as far as push notifications via notifications center

    JACOB:Right

    That is a give in.

    ME: I wouldnt see a speed difference with the bigger RAM?

    JACOB: Since it is all built into OSX

    Not really with those processes, no.

    ME: Also i'm not using BootCVamp or VM

    JACOB: Okay

    ME: I'm switching to Mac from a PC and leaving it in the dust

    don't want any Windows on my Mac

    JACOB: There is not really anything I would suggest as far as upgrading is concerned. You will see the Mac you chose will be well more than enough.

    Right

    ME: oK thank you looking forwards to receiving it ordered it yesterday

    JACOB: Right on! Thank you for visiting the Apple Store. We appreciate your business. If you would like more help, please chat with us again. Have a great day!
     
  21. dartox macrumors newbie

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    I've been using the base model 2.3/8/256 for 3 weeks now and I have to say that 8GB RAM is more than plenty.

    I mainly use the computer for coding, some video editing, and gaming. During normal use, having about 10-15 applications open and browsing the web I usually have about 5 to 5.5 gigs free.

    When I have some database (hashing) code running on 15-20 million strings, the free RAM occasionally dwindles down to 2.5-3 gigs but quickly frees up as the write operation to save the data to the SSD is lightning fast.

    When I'm doing anything in CS6, the worst case I've had was about 1.6 gigs free (and this is still with those 10-15 apps open).

    Honestly, the upgrade to 16 does seem like overkill for 90% of buyers. I don't really think it increases the "resale value" either because most buyers looking for used macs want to save money and buy the base model.

    If you're running multiple VMs at once or if it makes you sleep at night, go for the 16.

    Side note: the Intel HD Graphics uses about half a gig of RAM. Once the dedicated kicks in you have that 512 back at your disposal.
     
  22. dukebound85 macrumors P6

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    Seriously....doesn't that answer your question?
     
  23. inhalexhale1 macrumors 6502a

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    I think if your doubting the benefit you'd get from it, and there are also financial concerns about the upgrade cost, then 8GB is the smartest move. For basic iMovie and web surfing stuff it should be more than enough. Enjoy your new rMBP! :)
     
  24. iRobby thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Thank you to both of you! i think I made the right choice and your responses solidified that.

    Despite owning IOS devices for 3 years now it still was unchartered territory for me switching from PC to Mac computers. Which also made me ignorant of another factor which is resale.

    I never owned a computer that I was able to resell for a new upgrade. I've run my computers to the death 5-7 years.

    Now, I understand that perhaps in 2 or 3 years if I wish I can now sell this one and use the money to upgrade to a stronger model and not shell out all the money now plus I'd get the upgraded processors not just larger SSd or RAM.

    Coming from a PC minded background people ask me what the hell you paying 2K+ for a computer when you can get one for $600 well i think my statement above and your comments is the answer why.

    A Ford can't be resold like a Mercedes can.

    So yes i will be saving all the boxes etc. And also maybe I should think the same for my iOS devices as well.
     
  25. terraphantm macrumors 68040

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    Yeah, but it's not like running the OS in the background is the only thing you do on a computer. A fresh boot using 25% of the available memory is significant. In my experience, the usage is closer to 2.5GB on a fresh boot.
     

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