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Should i get a Thinkpad instead?? (help me stay with my PB decision...)

MacResQ has used Powerbooks (Ti, 400/500MHz) for under $1000. You could get one of those, see if you like it - and if you do, get a Powerbook G5 when they come out; if you don't, you could still buy a Thinkpad. (FTM you could look for a used Thinkpad too...)

You've made a good observation, BTW - while there are PC laptops cheaper than Apple's, they're usually shared memory and slow processor. To get a good laptop, from any manufacturer, costs real money.
 
I'm sure many will agree with me when I say that Microsoft Office on OS X is MUCH better than Office on XP or 2000

So were not buying a mac and running WinDoze software

rather....

we are buying a Mac and running a MUCH better version of WinDoze software
 
Originally posted by HasanDaddy
I'm sure many will agree with me when I say that Microsoft Office on OS X is MUCH better than Office on XP or 2000

So were not buying a mac and running WinDoze software

rather....

we are buying a Mac and running a MUCH better version of WinDoze software
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I totally agree ... haha
 
-Gents

Funny little Anecdote:

Have you wondered why Word and Excel's real names are "Microsoft Word" and Microsoft Excel"?

No?

Well, it's not arrogance despite what some people think. When Microsoft Developed Excel, it was for the Macintosh. Yes, the Mac, not the PC. And when the went to trademark the software Microsoft found that there was another software for the Mac at the time called Excel, so in order to avoid a legal battle, Microsoft changed the name to "Microsoft Excel", then for marketing consistency, extended that naming scheme across all of their products.

Excel and word were developed and released first, on the Mac.

Interesting huh?
 
i dont know what's been said so far, but thought id offer what help i can, right now im on believe it or not an ibm thinkpad, my g4 tower just isnt portable enough to make it to a trip to florida, so my dad got me this loaner from work. the thinkpad is 2.4ghz, my mac is 450mhz. both running xp and panther , respectivly. now, i also from time to time use my friends g4 powerbook 867mhz so i can compare and contrast these portables, first off, compared to my home machine, this thinkpad with xp seems to have trouble doing more then one thing at once, aside from that without a dock bouncing icon i often done know if an app has started launching or not, only to find out minutes later i didnt double click it the right way. in compared to my friends powerbook, this machine slows way down when its not plugged in, if you want power and portability go for the mac, on my friends twelve inch powerbook i can work in keynote and dont notice a performance difference weather im plugged in, and can adjust performance, here i see nothing like that, i cant tell it to go and use my processor as much as it wants when im on battery , it tries to figure it out for me. aside from that, yea xp is fast but guess what, so is os9, and thats what xp has become, old software with a candy coated gui, my personal advice is go for the book, aside from all the features you get its just a fantastic machine, hope this helps, and rather then just some "go for the mac!!" i figured since im using a thinkpad right now id give what advice i could.

oh yea, this thing is thick as nobody's business, and really hot lol.
 
Originally posted by millhouse
i dont know what's been said so far, but thought id offer what help i can, right now im on believe it or not an ibm thinkpad, my g4 tower just isnt portable enough to make it to a trip to florida, so my dad got me this loaner from work. the thinkpad is 2.4ghz, my mac is 450mhz. both running xp and panther , respectivly. now, i also from time to time use my friends g4 powerbook 867mhz so i can compare and contrast these portables, first off, compared to my home machine, this thinkpad with xp seems to have trouble doing more then one thing at once, aside from that without a dock bouncing icon i often done know if an app has started launching or not, only to find out minutes later i didnt double click it the right way. in compared to my friends powerbook, this machine slows way down when its not plugged in, if you want power and portability go for the mac, on my friends twelve inch powerbook i can work in keynote and dont notice a performance difference weather im plugged in, and can adjust performance, here i see nothing like that, i cant tell it to go and use my processor as much as it wants when im on battery , it tries to figure it out for me. aside from that, yea xp is fast but guess what, so is os9, and thats what xp has become, old software with a candy coated gui, my personal advice is go for the book, aside from all the features you get its just a fantastic machine, hope this helps, and rather then just some "go for the mac!!" i figured since im using a thinkpad right now id give what advice i could.

oh yea, this thing is thick as nobody's business, and really hot lol.
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Actually the Thinkpad T41p is the worlds thinnest laptop in the world, it's thinner than the Powerbook so you are wrong here or you are using a budget Thinkpad like the R-series or X-series which are thicker.

Actually you don't loose performance if you know how to deal with the powersettings in BIOS of the Centrino.

Your Thinkpad lowers it's performance because you have it configured to do so when you are running it from battery.

Try running the Powerbook from battery and it will loose 3 hrs compared to a Centrino laptop.

Centrinos can run approx 7-8hrs on battery....

Why do you refer to Windows XP? do you think all PC users are running Windows as their main OS?

We can run any OS except OSX, try running BeOS or Slackwareon your Powerbook......

You are pretty limited to OSX and Yellowdog for Linux...

Apple doesn't offer any free choice, they are forcing people to use their own stuff.

I have some friends at work that got shiny new Centrino 1.7GHz laptops and they are extremely fast compared to the Powerbook.

To say Microsoft Office run better on OSX is nothing like, well rumors.....

Just read latest MacWorld from U.K where they compared the Dual G5 2GHz with a Opteron 2GHz running Office.

The Opteron was nearly twice as fast in Excel and Word.

Also the Mac version of Office is not complete as the PC version is and it will never be either as Microsoft favorite platform is x86.

The MS Office code is much better optimized for PC hardware than Mac.

Still, PC manufacturers makes the fastest and most compatible hardware of all.

However, Apple leads the design, but not in performance.


Why Apple have got a larger user community now is because of the Unix background of OSX.

Unix is not exclusive to Macs, PCs can run most Unixes of them all and they are better optimized for x86.
 
the thinkpad im using is the thinnest laptop in the world? wow i wouldnt have guessed considering this thing's base is about as thick as a 12 inch powerbook with the lid closed.

second off, i shouldnt have to go into the bios to configure settings, as for me i like somewhere where the os will give me options for performance like if i am portable and want the best performance, or just to watch a dvd, or save the battery, as to why ms cant put that in an os is beyond me.
 
Originally posted by millhouse
the thinkpad im using is the thinnest laptop in the world? wow i wouldnt have guessed considering this thing's base is about as thick as a 12 inch powerbook with the lid closed.

second off, i shouldnt have to go into the bios to configure settings, as for me i like somewhere where the os will give me options for performance like if i am portable and want the best performance, or just to watch a dvd, or save the battery, as to why ms cant put that in an os is beyond me.
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Well you better look up the real truth instead, right?

T41p got a height of 1.0"

Powerbook 17" got a height of 1.0"

Powerbook 15" got a height of 1.1"

Powerbook 12" got a height of 1.18"


Thank god you can find the facts out there which is reliable compared to your definitions of thickness.

Power configuration can be configured in XP, it's your choice how you want to configure it.

I would prefer 8.6 hours battery time with the T41p instead of the lousy 3-4 hours you get with a Powerbook....

Truth is available to read at both IBM and Apple, just look the specs.
 
-Gents

All good points, but I think we are getting close to a bitch-slap contest now.

I'm not trying to diminish the facts being thrown about here, but merely attempting to point out that the law of diminishing returns is reaching critical mass.

I think we've made our points, let's let Ryan1524 make his choice on his own value system. Cool?
 
"To say Microsoft Office run better on OSX is nothing like, well rumors....."

I've used office on XP with a Dell that was loaded up with RAM

and I've used office on OS X here on my laptop

in addition......

I've also seen my friends run office on their XP and 2K machines

I've seen my Mac friends run office on their OS X machines

...... I have yet to see a version of office that can compete with OS X's...

much of this is because of the Aqua interface that Office X sports ---

1. it makes it much faster

2. because of Aqua, OS X allows office to have pallettes all over it, making it easy to customize one's work space on Office

3. there is a MUCH better integration between apps on OS X

4. and let's just say it --- OS X makes everything much easier to use and more functional overall

5. The Mac team at Windows, upon the release of Office, even said themselves that this version of Office (OS X) is better than any version of Office available on WinDoze itself

the fact that M$ had to take so long in releasing office, with its jazzed up aqua interface, is a testament to that hard work --- let's not forget that it appeared on 10.1, a year and a half after OS X had been released!

so overall....... i don't like my analysis and insight to be dismissed as rumors

packetwhateverthehell --- you should be more polite in your answering to people's claims....
 
security

if its worh anything to you, thinkpads have some of the best security in the industry. put the poweron, supervisor, and hd passwords, along witht hte security subsystem and it becomes very hard to get your data in case of theft. it also renders the machine unusable to anyone without the password. hacking it requires knowledge and time and money
 
Please, let the thread die...

I was curious to see what new pearls of wisdom were being added to this long, but it's turned into a Mac vs. PC fanboy fight. C'mon guys, give it a rest! Mr. 0Brien is right. I doubt if Ryan1524 is even reading this thread now.

But if you insist ... I'll make it easier for you to copy and paste.

"Powerbook rul3z!"
"Powerbook sux0rz"
"Thinkpad rul3z!"
"Thinkpad sux0rz"
"does not"
"does too"
"does not"
"does too"
 
lol....yea...but i'm still reading it. and i've decided that i'm gonna stick with the powerbook. *phew..


thanks for tha many many inputs. many good points have been made. and i've come to realize that i'm not buying a machine for gaming, but it's a close race and i'm sure i'll be happy with either machine, but from price standpoint, 2000$ can probably buy me a good gaming PC (as some people already mentioned). add to that the looks and OS X, and the deal's sealed with the obvious choice.

so i'm getting the powerbook. now let's just hope i can work hard enough to actually deserve one. i'd feel pretty dumb if i get into some univ program i don't like and have no interest in at all. by which point, having either machine won't help my guilt and self-hate.

wish me luck and thx again for the help. :)
 
I guess I came into this game a little late, but I just wanted to say that I switched from Microsucks Windblows over two years ago, and couldn't be happier. I started out with a Powerbook, just to test out the Mac platform, since all I really needed it for was to display the web sites I'm working on to my clients. (Just about any browser will do that.) And once I learned what I could do with it, I upgraded the rest of my computers to Macs. I've sense banished my PCs to the closet or parts bin, and will probably never power them up again. (Definitely not the one that's been gutted.)

I'm sure you will be happy with your decision to buy the PB - I know I was.
 
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