Should i go with xp or vista?

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  1. babsvii macrumors regular

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    I just bought a new 24" iMac with 3.06GHz, 4GB memory, 1TB hard drive, and the ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB graphics processor i am still waiting for it to arrive but am wondering which MS software i should go with xp or vista??? i have been reading around to see what other ppl are saying about vista but most ppl are running it on the older imacs or pc's and im seeing that some ppl love it and others dont... so im wondering if there is anyone out there who is running vista on the new imacs and which software would be best for my mac? im using windows only for gaming.

    Depending on when my imac arrives i might just skip out on buying xp or vista and wait for windows 7. but if it comes soon i dont want to have to wait forever to get windows 7 before i can start playing games. so any input would help.

    Thanx.
     
  2. om3ga785 macrumors member

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    Well i'll make it rather simple for ya.

    Are you looking to run Windows nativity (via Boot Camp) or plan to run it side-by-side? (virtual machine)

    Vista really bogs down your system and memory if you opt to running it in a V/M side by side with Mac OS. your better off running Windows XP since it doesn't require the hardware configuration that Vista seems to need. Especially if all your running is just apps that are not made for Mac OS.

    IF your going the route to run it as a second operating system not side-by-side VIA Boot Camp, then you can run ether one.

    V/M software to use is VMware Fusion or Parallels Desktop. (both cost $)

    As far as your iMac configuration looks like, you should be fine. you've got a pretty solid config going on there.

    Oh and if you intend to wait for Windows 7, you'll be waiting awhile. (at least till beginning of next year)

    if you want to go the free route, try VirtualBox from Sun.
     
  3. babsvii thread starter macrumors regular

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    thanx for the reply... im going to run it boot camp. i heard that windows 7 is supposed to be released in april? hummm well either way if windows 7 isnt released by the time my imac gets here then im gonna have to buy something else... im thinking i will just go with vista unless there is someone who can tell me a reason why i shouldnt... i just want everything to run smoothly. and if i do get vista i will be upgrading to windows 7 as soon as it comes out.
     
  4. Agurri macrumors 6502

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    I run Vista in both Bootcamp and Fusion. It runs flawlessly on bootcamp, but in fusion, I have to wait maybe 5 minutes for Vista to start properly. But it runs fine. I don't have any problems.
     
  5. Stridder44 macrumors 68040

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    Windows 7 will most likely be released later this year (possibly around summer). Honestly, I would usually say go for Vista hands down, but if you haven't already boughten it (Vista) yet, then don't bother now. Just use what you have and wait for Windows 7. Yes, it's worth the wait.

    However if you haven't bought anything yet and need one now, then go for Visa. XP is dead no matter how you look at it. No modern computer should be running it. Vista 64-bit is highly recommended.
     
  6. babsvii thread starter macrumors regular

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    I dont have anything yet. so i need to buy something... i think i will go with the vista... i have been looking around at stores for the vista 64bit, but i seem to only be finding vista 32bit... shouldnt anywhere have the 64bit?? by the way im from canada, is it possible that canada doesnt have the 64bit yet?? (that doesnt seem right)
     
  7. babsvii thread starter macrumors regular

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    ok never mind about me not being able to find the 64bit... i just called somewhere and they said they can order it for me... but now which should i go with the premium or the ultimate? or does it really matter?
     
  8. cmcbridejr macrumors 6502a

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    I may be wrong, but I think that if you purchase Vista now, then you are eligible to upgrade to Windows 7 when it comes out.

    Can anyone confirm?
     
  9. Stridder44 macrumors 68040

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    Home Premium is perfect for the typical user. Ultimate is...meh...expensive. :p Here's a Microsoft breakdown:

    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-vista/compare-editions/default.aspx
     
  10. johnnj macrumors 6502a

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    There's no reason to run 64 bit Vista on a machine with only 4 gigs of RAM.

    The overhead of the 64 bit libraries plus the 32 bit WoW (Windows on Windows) libs take away any benefit of being able to address the full 4 gig of physical memory.

    Other than the ability to address more memory, there's no other benefit to running 64 bit over 32. Even if you do have say, 8 gigs of memory, in order for an application to take advantage of that, it also needs to be a 64 bit executable. There are still very few of those. Photoshop is one of them, though. When you go into the performance settings on PS CS4 64 on Windows, you'll see that you can assign more than the 32 bit application memory address space.

    Even though Vista 64 has vastly improved in terms of application and driver support over XP x64, it's still not as seamless as 32 bit. For example, ever since SP1 came out, I stopped being able to do divx transcoding and unless I use an unofficial hacked sound driver, I can't get 5.1 out of the sound card.

    As for XP being "dead no matter how you look at it", that's patently untrue.

    With the exception of Windows Me, there's never been a Microsoft OS less embraced by corporate IT than Vista. The reason is that MANY business applications still won't run properly on it. I don't mean biz apps like Office, I mean financial systems and other functional applications. Look on any corporate PC, and chances are you are going to find XP running. I wouldn't call it a dead product.

    Also, in terms of performance, XP is still yet to be beaten. There have been reports of some positive movement in that regard with Win7, though. My own benchmarking has seen Win7 pwn Vista64, but still not approach the 3DMark scores I get under plain old XP 32 bit.

    Another infamous benefit of XP over Vista is simple file copying. I read an MS whitepaper on why Vista file system transactions are so piss poor slow and the theory made sense, but still... I'd like for files to copy at maximum speed and in the minuscule chance that there's an unrecoverable error, I'd rather deal with whatever the caused the problem than have every copy move at a snail's pace.

    In terms of gaming, the only advantage to Vista is DirectX 10 support. However, DX10 has been pretty much an unfulfilled promise. Sure environmental effects look prettier and water/smoke looks awesome, but that crunching sound you'll hear is your framerate hitting the floor.

    Also, many game devs consciously choose to stick with DX9, just because it's leaner and higher performing.

    Personally I run Vista 64 on my main PC desktop, which does have 8 gigs of ram (so I can run fully loaded VMware guest OS's of XP so my work stuff will run, since I'm a business application guy). It also dual boots to XP for some games, etc.

    On my MBP, I run XP in Fusion as a guest OS for doing work stuff and a bootcamp of XP for gaming. It's only a lame laptop, so I don't want to give up a micron of computational power to Vista's overhead when all want to do is kill stuff.

    John
     
  11. Stridder44 macrumors 68040

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    Complete and utter BS.


    Your post, I don't even know where to start with it. It's XP fanboyism at its best. I mean seriously, you have got to be trolling, because everything you said contradicts anything a competent person with any understand of the subject would say.
     
  12. babsvii thread starter macrumors regular

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    hummm interesting... well im pretty sure that when windows 7 comes out that its gonna be better then xp. and i have also heard that u can just do and upgrade to get from vista to windows 7... but u cant do the upgrade from xp to windows 7.... does anyone know if this is true?... i dont want to spend money on xp when i know im going to want windows 7... but i do need something soon i cant just wait for windows 7 to come out... so i think i would much rather get vista and then do the upgrade... if this is gonna be the case... im not to worried about coping files... or all that other stuff... im gonna do most of everything on my mac the only thing i want windows for is to play some games every now and then... i have been reading lots of other forums too and most ppl seem to be pleased with vista... i know that nothing is perfect, i never really looked into getting vista till recently, and the only thing i ever heard about it was how horrible it was when it first came out. since then i didnt really have a reason to buy it or read about it... but now that im getting a new imac, dont have a disk for xp and need to buy one i figured i would see what ppl have to say about it now... for the most part seems that ppl are liking it... everyones gonna have different a opinion i guess im just gonna have to see for my self... $140 isnt that much if i hate it ill just get xp. but im sure from what i have heard it will be just fine.
     
  13. Stridder44 macrumors 68040

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    Vista was pretty bad before SP1 came out (around Feb. '08) then everything was great, and it's only gotten better since then.

    It's true about XP not being able to upgrade to Win7. But generally a good rule of thumb is to always do a clean install anyway. Honestly all Upgrading does is toss your previous Windows stuff into a folder that'll never be used again, taking up many gigabytes of space, and on top of that applications have the potential to get messy due to the changing of the OS.

    Windows 7 is based on Vista anyway (which is why it's funny when people say Win7 is so much better than Vista), it just has a lot of under the hood improvements and UI improvements.

    You'll probably be able to find Vista cheaper. You could always get a systems build disc (much cheaper than the retail boxes).
     
  14. SkyBell macrumors 604

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    Yeah, that's generally what people mean by "better".

    If it's true that 7 will be released later this year, just get whatever is cheaper right now. (I would think that would be XP, but I could be wrong.)

    Personally, after using XP for so many years, I find Vista (and 7) to be very confusing in terms of finding and storing files. (Windows Explorer makes no sense anymore.) But that's just me.
     
  15. SnowLeopard2008 macrumors 604

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    I would use Windows 7 when it comes out. I always buy the latest versions of software unless there is something crucial that I need in the older version.
     
  16. Darth.Titan macrumors 68030

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    Why not just download the Windows 7 public beta? It's free and will do the job fine until the real version is released.

    That way you don't have to buy Vista, then pay again to upgrade in a few months.
     
  17. stacionari macrumors newbie

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    Wan of the happier days for me in 2008 was the day I finally successfully downgraded from the Vista to XP. It took me a 10 days to achieve this. I am sure that it was deliberate Microsoft decision to preclude a regular downgrading procedure as they new that Vista is sheety product that many users will drop out in a metter of days after installing it. So be prepared for this.

    XP is the last an only good os from MS.
     
  18. Stridder44 macrumors 68040

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    Troll alert. :rolleyes:
     
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    Isn't Vista based on XP, with a lot of under the hood improvements and UI improvements?

    Now that's funny.
     
  21. steveza macrumors 68000

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    :)

    Well you could say that every OS is based on the version that came before but some are a bit closer than others. All Windows OSes after Windows 98 are based on the NT platform which originally comes from OS/2.

    While Windows 7 shares many similarities with Vista significant changes at the kernel level mean it's actually quite different too. Not as big a difference as XP to Vista though.
     
  22. johnnj macrumors 6502a

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    Hahaha... Funny... Seems like everyone's a troll to you.

    Ok, well... I've been working in in corporate IT going on 20 years, starting with a gig as a unix admin/systems manager. I think that pretty well makes me an uncool guy walking into an Apple Store, but does qualify me to comment on what's going on in corp IT.

    Anyway.... for an interesting read on 64 bit, check this out:

    http://blogs.adobe.com/scottbyer/2006/12/64_bitswhen.html

    Also, how can I be an "XP Fanboy" when I personally own 2 Ultimate licenses and 1 Premium? Amongst my cronies I'm the one that's the Vista Fanboy because I actually run it at all. I've also been running it since the first Technet beta was released and have kept up with every beta release since then, including a couple of revs of Win7.

    And no, I wasn't trying to troll. I was trying to provide correct information based on my research and experience.

    Have a nice day.

    John
     
  23. babsvii thread starter macrumors regular

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    Its pretty much going to cost me the same for either one... xp is $20 cheaper then vista.... thanx for the info on upgrading instead of reinstalling everything... ill make sure that i do that when i get windows 7... life would be so much easier if we never had to use windows at all!!! lol
     
  24. ayeying macrumors 601

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    Windows Vista is a re-write of XP's kernel, a lot different.

    Windows 7 is basically an updated kernel of Vista.
     
  25. cmcbridejr macrumors 6502a

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    I don't understand.

    Isn't that what "a lot of under the hood improvements and UI improvements" means?

    Please elaborate.
     

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