Should I hold off my purchase?

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  1. gtgrad95 macrumors 6502

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    I'm ready to buy a new 15'' MBP but am currently debating on waiting to see if Apple can address the yellow tint and flickering issues with the China factory. I would think they would've sent execs there right now to see if this can be solved with future MBPs on the line. I'm not sure what they would do with their current stock that is all ready to ship. With a lot of stock already out there, I would imagine this might take at least a month or more. Any opinions?

    Also, I've read several references to different screen manufacturers for the MBPs (LG and Samsung). Does that mean the 15'' can have either one? What determines which manufac. you get? How can you tell which one you have? Which is better?
     
  2. Igantius macrumors 65816

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    Whenever a new revision of any tech product is launched, there are going to be teething bugs etc.

    It can be very easy to overestimate how big a problem is by relying on feedback on forums.

    I would have a look at Macintouch, which has excellent daily reader reports regarding user experiences - it's a very handy resource.

    However, if you want to want for the intial bugs/problems to be ironed out, realistically you're looking at the next update.
     
  3. biturbomunkie macrumors 6502a

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    it's really up to you to take the "risks" or not.
     
  4. L3X macrumors 6502a

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    I'd say buy one if you need it. If you get the yellow tint, take it back and demand another one. Do this until you have a good one.

    Other users have said they don't have any problems so there has to be some good ones available.
     
  5. PDE macrumors 68020

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    The truth is that many people have ones that are perfect. I didn't, but I returned it and now I have one that is almost perfect. It's ALWAYS a bit of a gamble and, even after many months of production, you can get one that is defective. I have many times. There are NO guarantees EVER. The best thing you can do is get one when you need one and make sure you buy from a company that allows easy returns and replacements. That's really the key to a good experience.

    Good luck!
     
  6. eenu macrumors 65816

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    The issue really isn't with apple.... its with the screen manufactuerer. Apple will probably have words with them. It clearly isnt every screen so get one and keep going until you get a good one.
     
  7. gtgrad95 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I think I will buy from directly from Apple for this reason. Does it matter if you order online at apple.com and then try to exchange it at the store (if it has issues) or do you have to buy directly from the store?
     
  8. ChrisTheHokie macrumors newbie

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    How difficult is it to bring it back if you've customized your order through the online Apple store?
     
  9. quik macrumors regular

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    Mine is perfect, buy it and don't look at problems :)
     
  10. eenu macrumors 65816

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    you ring them up you tell them its a pile of **** and if they agree they get a courier to pick it up whilst your new one is shipping
     
  11. aaronw1986 macrumors 68030

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    I disagree about thinking the next update would be better. This is revision C for the MBP...there will always be some issues, so the third time should be a good time to get one, before they do a even bigger update which could bring more bugs.
     
  12. eenu macrumors 65816

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    How do you figure this is revision C?

    Its a completely new motherboard, gpu, screen and CPU clocks. I'd say thats fairly major!

    This is a Revision A product
     
  13. aaronw1986 macrumors 68030

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    It's the third set of MBP's- CD, C2D, SR. If you count all things such as cpu and gpu, as a new product, nothing would ever have revisions.
     
  14. eenu macrumors 65816

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    no you miss the point.... there is far more that just new cpu and gpu.... the whole chipset and motherboard is different. Essentially the only original components in this MBP are the case and the hard drives.

    EDIT: going by your standards the old 15 and 17" powerbooks should be included with the MBP since its the same case and potentially HDD

    EDIT: sorry if i sound like i am trying to cause an argument, i'm not, i see why you term it revision C just trying to tell you why it should really be classed RevA in terms of issues
     
  15. gtgrad95 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    The screen in itself is a huge change, IMO. I don't believe it is a Rev C. Although not a complete redesign, the changes are pretty significant.
     
  16. gtgrad95 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Anyone know something about the LED screen manufacturers?
     
  17. eenu macrumors 65816

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    Yes Samsung and LG

    Regarding revisions....to me revisions come in the CD C2D and SR familys when issues are found revisions are the models that take the changes by apple to solve the issue.

    Therefore you get multiple revisions of CD, C2D and SR.....
     
  18. aaronw1986 macrumors 68030

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    No, when they switched to intel, this was a new model. Since then the cpu has seemed to be more of an update, not completely a new thing.
     
  19. gtgrad95 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    How do you check which one you have?
     
  20. eenu macrumors 65816

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    sys prefs -> displays -> Color -> Open Profile look at field 13 and google the code.... 00009C67 is LG so if its not that assume samsung

    aaronw1986, we will hav to agree to disagree
     
  21. iToaster macrumors 68000

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    I'd say it's a revision C, as it is still a MBP, still looks the same, still has C2D processors in it (hey, we didn't count CD to C2D as a new product), no added ports, an upgraded GPU and CPU, more efficient screens and whatnot. What do you consider a revision as opposed to a new product? It's not a new product, just a revision, there wasn't a form factor change, it is virtually indistinguishable from its predecessor, except for a few speed bumps and screen. Did making the G4 in the PBs faster make them a new product? No. To the OP, buy it now, so you can have it now, you'll always groan when they come out with better ones, and the defects we hear about only sound so common because not so many people talk about what's right with their machine. Buy it now, it was just revised, it will do you well, and if you get a defect, I bet they'll fix it.
     
  22. eenu macrumors 65816

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    I've said above what i deem a revision to be.
     
  23. Wolfpup macrumors 68030

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    Check the small print. If I remember correctly, you can't return it if it's been specially configured. As far as I know, that only applies to internal components (ie, a different hard drive), not to external components (adding a USB modem), but I'd even check with them about that.

    Of course it would still be under the full warranty, so theoretically they should work on it/swap it to get it working right.
     
  24. Igantius macrumors 65816

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    Yup, I think that's right.
     
  25. Igantius macrumors 65816

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    Regardless of it being Rev A, B, C or Z, when you have new machines with new motherboards etc etc, I think we can all agree that is a revision.

    Charles Moore wrote a decent opinion piece recently (http://www.macopinion.com/index.php/site/more/is_now_a_good_time_to_buy_a_macbook/) - here's an excerpt:
    If I had posted 3 months ago that the next 15" MBP was going to have LED screens, new GPU, more RAM capacity, SR and a new motherboard amongst other things, but all in all it's a minor revision, I wonder how many people would have agreed.

    But I think we can agree that the recent MB update was less major than the MBP (new screens, faster bus etc etc) and when new features untested by the company are added, there's bound to be teething bugs - as I said in my first post this happens with all new tech products. Once Apple identifies what the problem is, it can start fixing them and the next update should have some of the kinks removed. If we compare the recent revisions to both MBs and MBPs, which machine would you expect to have more new problems discovered?

    The new MBPs have a new motherboard. As I'm sure you're all aware, there were teething problems when Apple redesigned this component previously; Macintouch did a survey of over 2,800 laptops at the end of last year, it found that out of Apple's current laptops, the one that was most likely to need repairs was the 15" MBP - because of the motherboard... Macintouch in its conclusions commented that it believed Apple had changed supplier and that aspect was becoming less of an issue.

    Now because Apple is using a new motherboard, it's theoretically possible that the new design may have teething problems too - in which case, Apple will fix it like it did last time. Similarly, if there is an issue with the screens that Apple needs to take action over - if this is the case, it's sometimes beneficial to wait until the next update when the situation is improved (such as changing the plastic used in MBs re: discolouration problem).

    Anyhoo, I don't particularly want to argue about this so that's all I'm gonna say - my first post was merely saying that if you want a machine with teething problems removed you often have to wait for the next update and I made no claims to that the next revision will have no problems - but I would feel a bit guilty if I just left to eenu to defend my point! :p
     

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