Should I Install OS X 10.5 on my new Mac-Mini?

Discussion in 'Mac mini' started by visvaldis, Mar 24, 2014.

  1. visvaldis macrumors member

    Jul 9, 2008
    I have a G4 MDD (Apple processor) with OS X 10.5 and use it for internet.
    In December, 2013, I purchased a new Mac-mini (Intel) with Mavericks 10.9 and want to use this for everything.
    But problems arise. The Mac-mini will not accept my HP Printer: it “does not support Power PC systems”. I rarely print anything, the printer works fine with the G4, and don’t want to buy a new one just for the Mac-mini.
    I am interested for an AT&T offer for a DSL internet hook-up, but their Mac requirements go from 9.2 to OS X 10.6.
    I still have the Leopard 10.5. disk. What if I installed the OS X 10.5 on the Mac-mini? Would that solve my problem? Would the printer and internet automatically open the 10.5 instead of the 10.9?
  2. stiligFox macrumors 65816


    Apr 24, 2009
    If you mean to install 10.5 on your new Mac mini, I would highly advise against it, even if you could get it to work. 10.5 does not have any of the drivers for the new components in your new Mac. It also is no longer supported by Apple, and therefore gets no more security updates.

    As for your printer issue, I'm not sure how to help, but all I can say is 10.5 won't work on your Mac, and I would advise against trying.

    Also, even though AT&T says it supports up to 10.6 it will work with 10.9 just fine.

    What type of printer do you have?
  3. jbarley macrumors 68040


    Jul 1, 2006
    Vancouver Island
    Apple will not let you install an operating system 'older' then the system your computer originally shipped with.
    So as the previous poster stated, it will not work.
  4. chrfr macrumors 603

    Jul 11, 2009
    You can't install 10.5 on your new Mini. What model printer do you have? There may be a newer driver available for it.
  5. tom vilsack macrumors 68000

    tom vilsack

    Nov 20, 2010
    ladner cdn
    I understand about not being able to downgrade...but as this mini has not changed at all since it came out with OSX mountain lion,would that also not be a choice? And perhaps there's printer drivers for that os....
  6. ApfelKuchen macrumors 68030

    Aug 28, 2012
    Between the coasts
    If there's not a driver for Mavericks, there's not likely to be a driver for Mountain Lion or Lion either.

    If the printer is not supported in Mavericks, the place to turn is HP, not Apple. There's definitely no point changing your OS until you check with HP - you may be no better off after changing.

    Just what model HP printer are you using?
  7. Jambalaya macrumors 6502a

    Jun 21, 2013
    I'm surprised your printer won't work, we are using some pretty ancient HP printers (eg USB connectors only none of this new fangeled wifi stuff). The only issue we have had is that the HP software doesn't work with Mavericks so scanning we do via Preview.
  8. OrganMusic macrumors 6502

    Sep 21, 2008
    Don't bother with the disks that came with your printer, just plug it in and add it in system preferences. Use the OSX gutenprint driver. What model is it? I'd be very surprised if you can't get it to work.

    As for the internet, it shouldn't matter what version you have. That was probably just the minimum requirements when that material was printed.
  9. visvaldis thread starter macrumors member

    Jul 9, 2008
    Thanks to all responses.
    I thought I'd better ask on this forum before installing the downgrade and then having whopping problems.
    I bought the HP ink-jet printer in 2004. On the cover it says: hp psc 1350 all-in-one. Printer/Scanner/Copier.
    I'll try to plug in the printer USB and see what happens. Next week I plan to get the DSL.
  10. Chancha macrumors 6502a

    Mar 19, 2014
    On just the topic of getting the printer to work, you can probably just use a generic "HP _____ Series" driver to get it to work, you may lose some printer specific features or the quality will be crap, but it will likely be able to "print things on a page".

    As for "downgrading" the Mini, I have first hand experience just last month. I also purchased a Mini new so despite it being a "Late 2012" model, it came installed with Mavericks and has 10.9 down to the restore partition. As 10.9 is nowhere near professionally ready, I tried to install 10.8 on it. Officially it is not supported but I managed to get it installed with another Mini lying around.

    1) boot new Mini into target disk mode
    2) plug it to another old Mini running 10.8 with thunderbolt cable
    3) on old Mini, use disk utility, wipe drive on new Mini, format as GUID, HFS extended journaled
    4) reboot old Mini into recovery mode, from there install 10.8.x (whichever it came with)
    5) once you get to the point where it asks you which drive to install on, choose the new Mini drive which is essentially behaving as an external drive for the old Mini
    6) install, it will take like an hour since it is downloading OS X packages from the internet
    7) after it's done, shutdown & unplug everything, boot up new Mini, if you are greeted with the choose language screen like on any new mac, you are good.

    So obviously this method requires an existing Mini that shipped with 10.8, which may be hard to find if you don't have friends or colleagues who use macs. I have read that using an Appstore or retail version of 10.8 installer works also, but it is no longer available through Appstore. If you can manage to get the file, there are many tutorials on the internet about how to copy it onto a bootable USB thumb drive, which should be able to install 10.8 to your new Mini. I actually initially tried this method but I had difficulty getting the tuumb drive bootable, at that point I switched to using an existing Mini, so I don't have experience with the thumbdrive method, but you can try.

    If all things fail, I think you could always boot the new Mini back to internet recovery where you can install 10.9, there shouldn't be any risk in bricking it. Also it should be obvious by now, every time you format a drive and install OS X it wipes data, so back up first before trying anything.
  11. chrfr macrumors 603

    Jul 11, 2009
    That printer is supported in 10.9. Just connect it, and add the printer. Your computer will automatically download the proper driver from Apple.
    You can ignore the messages about how to backdate the operating system on your Mini as it is completely unnecessary to do so in order to use this printer.
  12. blanka macrumors 68000

    Jul 30, 2012
    The minimum on the 2011 Mini is Snow Leopard, the minimum on the 2012 Mini Mountain Lion.
    But if you want, you can buy Snow Leopard Server at the Apple Store (phone only!) for 20 bucks and run that virtual in Virtual Box.
  13. eljanitor macrumors 6502


    Feb 10, 2011
    Engineered obsolescence. The power PC platform as nice as it was is no longer of any concern to Apple. Unfortunately as technology progresses older equipment sometimes becomes unusable. I met someone once who knows how to program computers using punch cards. I't was a great conversation and great skill for 1960, unfortunately today, not so useful for programming.

    As for AT&T DSL will work just fine on your new Mac Mini don't worry about that.
  14. barkmonster, Mar 28, 2014
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2014

    barkmonster macrumors 68020


    Dec 3, 2001
    Go to the HP site to see if there's drivers for your printer. If not, keep it hooked up to the G4 and hook it up to your Intel Mac Mini via ethernet. You can enable printer sharing and use the G4 as a print server.
  15. chrfr macrumors 603

    Jul 11, 2009
    As I posted above, that printer works with Apple's HP printer drivers in Mavericks.


    Again, not necessary to solve the OP's problem.
  16. barkmonster macrumors 68020


    Dec 3, 2001
    Because it's so much easier to upgrade your whole OS than download a printer driver from HP themselves.:rolleyes:
  17. chrfr macrumors 603

    Jul 11, 2009
    The OP isn't upgrading the OS, the OP has a new Mac Mini which already has Mavericks on it and wants to use the old printer with the new computer.
  18. barkmonster macrumors 68020


    Dec 3, 2001
    So your suggestions are useless. I mean, it doesn't work in mavericks so they do need to download "HP" drivers for their "HP" printer from the "HP" website (as opposed to "Apple HP drivers" from Mavericks which is already established as not working).
  19. chrfr macrumors 603

    Jul 11, 2009
    Sorry, you're wrong here.
    The OP tried to use the original disk from the printer, which contains only a PowerPC installer. The Apple drivers DO work. When the printer is connected and added through the Printers preference pane, the computer will download the correct drivers automatically.
    HP's directions to use this printer with Mavericks even tell the user to use Apple's drivers.
  20. Consultant macrumors G5


    Jun 27, 2007
    As mentioned by chrfr above
    Your printer works with OS X Mavericks:


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