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While I'm not as lucky as Phrasikleia to have both the 5DII and 7D in my possession, I did just switch from a 5DII to a 7D.

Simply put: I grew tired of missing the focus on shots.

So I switched to a 7D. Instantly I'm getting a much much larger percentage of in-focus shots. The AF speed is really not a factor with portraits/landscapes as the actual speed is determined by the lens itself (the tracking speed/accuracy is where the 7D is phenomenal) however, the ability to use any focus point is huge, and they're all accurate.

Interesting and very helpful. I seldom hear of people switching in this direction. But one of the things I'd like to improve, not make worse, is keepers of my GF in low light (restaurant or bar) where I'm using razor thin DOF with the 35L at f1.4-f2. Sounds like it will be tough to beat the performance of the 7D here. That added stop of high ISO image quality doesn't matter if I have to reject the pic because it's OOF.

Just as a matter of principle, I would try to suppress your gear lust and wait out until the 7D is long in the tooth, it is a terrific camera. In the meantime, save up the necessary cash for a 5D Mark III or IV. Even though there may be some improvements in IQ, they will be noticeable only in more challenging situations: if you shoot at low ISO with good glass (which you do have), there will be little improvement. You have proper lenses on a modern camera, and unless you're missing something very specific, I don't haven't seen any particular reason in your post why you have to upgrade to the 5D Mark II.

If you like portraits, the improved AF system of the 7D may actually help you. When I upgraded from a D80 to my D7000, I noticed a marked improvements in AF accuracy: I can nail more shots and set the focus exactly where I want it to be. Two weeks ago, I was shooting a wedding and I was impressed by the number of keeps. Going from a 7D to a 5D Mark II would roughly be the reverse in terms of AF system.

Again, this is a very good point.
 
Edge1000 couldn't be more spot on.

Having owned everything from the XS-5DII, and having access to numerous Nikon's because that's what my Dad uses. I can assure you of Razeus misconceptions of a camera he's probably never used.

1. The AF is not as fast as the 7D/1D4, but it's not useable by any means. As it's been stated, with a good lens it will lock focus on stationary and slow moving targets with ease. On faster moving targets, you need to be a more experienced photographer... knowing hot to lock focus on the ground and nailing the shot as the subject approaches is key, if you want 100% keeper rates.

2. Speculating what size prints the OP will be creating, or that he will only be posting images online is just obnoxious. The pixel density of the sensor is an advantage when cropping and printing large scale prints, whether Razeus wants to admit it or not.

3. Old camera does not = bad camera. Only an inexperienced photographer would make a statement like that. Some of the best hobbyist photographers out there are using cheap Rebels or old 1DsI/1DI because they can't afford anything better. Some of the best cameras and lenses are made by companies like Leica and Carl Zeiss, which offer absolutely zero AF options... yet somehow they manage to be highly regarded. Shocking!

4. Most photographers with enough experience to use a 5DII will tell you to pick up a "real" flash or go home. Built-in flashes are not ideal for a camera of that caliber, period.

Ignorance is bliss, huh Razeus? The 5DII takes absolutely stunning photos when used by an experienced photographer. I shoot with the 5DII attached to a 24-70L because it's the most versatile setup I can afford right now, and let me say that the IQ is not understated. Equally Nikon makes a nice camera, and they excel in things like build quality and focus accuracy. To counter the argument that Nikon is just plain better, allow me to point out a couple of flaws with Nikon. Their lens lineup is disappointing compared to Canon, there's not nearly enough variety, and knowing which lens will AF on which body is frankly confusing. To boot, Nikon controls are horrendous... intuitive design is not one of Nikon's strong points.

What am I really saying? I'm saying Canon and Nikon both make excellent DSLR cameras. If you think one is entirely better than the other, than it's painfully obvious you have very little experience with either system. At the end of the day, I chose Canon for it's Lenses and Intuitiveness. I'm most shooting Fine Art photography, and could care less whether my camera nails the focus 99% of the time, or 90% of the time. Nor do I care about spray and pray capabilities. It's relative to your needs, if you like Canon than stick with them. If you're disappointed with your results, and find practice with the camera isn't improving the situation. Then by all means, try something new. Being a good photographer is about 15% camera, and 85% the person behind it.
 
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While it would be an upgrade in image quality, it would be a downgrade in focus and metering. But since I largely shoot landscapes, portraits (of my GF), and vacation snap shots, I wonder if the trade-offs would be ok.

Non sports is exactly what the 5D2 was built for, so the only consideration is the image quality. And being full frame it will be better than the 7D straight away.

As for slow focusing that others have mentioned - erm, when does focusing speed matter for landscapes?

5Dx is exactly where I'm heading in a couple of years. Full frame FTW.
 
But one of the things I'd like to improve, not make worse, is keepers of my GF in low light (restaurant or bar) where I'm using razor thin DOF with the 35L at f1.4-f2. Sounds like it will be tough to beat the performance of the 7D here. That added stop of high ISO image quality doesn't matter if I have to reject the pic because it's OOF.
Just to chime in here: I'm in the same boat: my two most favorite lenses by a mile are my 30 mm f/1.4 Sigma and my 80-200 mm f/2.8 Nikkor. I really had to learn how to handle these two lenses as with wider apertures, you cannot really use focus & recompose and expect to have the focal plane exactly where you want it to be. (It's a blessing and a curse to have lenses with such a narrow dof :)) The D80 (which from some unscientific testing with a buddy of mine has a more reliable AF system than the 5D Mark I; from what I understand the Mark II uses an almost identical AF system) gave me a lot more misses where the focus was off by just a little bit.
 
5D Mark I; from what I understand the Mark II uses an almost identical AF system

From what I've read that's true, but the reality is and ask anyone with a 5DmkII it does focus better than the 5D. Maybe other internal improvements help this.

You may not notice it straight away, but when I used my old 5D's it's more noticeable. Which reminds me, I must ebay the old bodies soon!
 
Hope I'm not hijacking the thread but I was wondering whether it would be possible to add the 550d/600d (assume they have the same autofocus) into this comparison.

I currently have a 600d and haven't been able to use a 7d.

Is this 5dii autofocus better than the 600d as I really find focusing an issue for me on the 600d?
I have a 5DII and a 550D.

The 5DII is a much better camera, the viewfinder is better and I find focussing to be quicker (having said that, I usually use my 24-70 on the 5DII, which is a quick focussing lens).

Results are much better from the 5DII. The photosensors on the 550D are closer packed, and produce a slightly softer picture using the same lenses.

They're both great cameras. I use my 550D as a lightweight travel camera with a 24 f2.8.
 
I have a 5DII and a 550D.

The 5DII is a much better camera, the viewfinder is better and I find focussing to be quicker (having said that, I usually use my 24-70 on the 5DII, which is a quick focussing lens).

Results are much better from the 5DII. The photosensors on the 550D are closer packed, and produce a slightly softer picture using the same lenses.

They're both great cameras. I use my 550D as a lightweight travel camera with a 24 f2.8.

Thanks for that. Just with a lot of people slating the 5dii focusing I was wondering how it would compare to my current camera!
 
Interesting and very helpful. I seldom hear of people switching in this direction. But one of the things I'd like to improve, not make worse, is keepers of my GF in low light (restaurant or bar) where I'm using razor thin DOF with the 35L at f1.4-f2. Sounds like it will be tough to beat the performance of the 7D here. That added stop of high ISO image quality doesn't matter if I have to reject the pic because it's OOF.



Again, this is a very good point.


I would think that the 5DII would still be able to handle this situation and does well with higher ISOs as well. Again, my advice is to rent the set up for a week and really test drive it in all of the critical-for-you situations and see how it works. When you come down to it, all of our comments are our personal opinions. In the end you need to be happy with your decision, IMHO.
 
There are several Canon events later this month, why not just wait until then to decide? If no 5D3 or whatnot is released, then I would get a 5D. You have a 7D now, and the 5D is basically a 40/50D with a full frame sensor.

I have heard that if you use center point AF, you should be good. For landscapes, does anyone autofocus anymore? :)
 
While I'm not as lucky as Phrasikleia to have both the 5DII and 7D in my possession, I did just switch from a 5DII to a 7D.

Simply put: I grew tired of missing the focus on shots. I shoot mainly portraits (at least I try to) with a smattering of landscapes

Care to share your rationale for not using manual focus? People sitting for portraits and landscapes are both non-movement settings- so I'm curious (especially for portraits, which I almost always shoot on manual and with a wide depth of field (my key is generally set to f/8.)

Paul
 
I would think that the 5DII would still be able to handle this situation and does well with higher ISOs as well. Again, my advice is to rent the set up for a week and really test drive it in all of the critical-for-you situations and see how it works. When you come down to it, all of our comments are our personal opinions. In the end you need to be happy with your decision, IMHO.

I think I will look into a rental and give it a go. I'll report back.

Thanks to everyone for the helpful advice.
 
I was in a similar situation earlier this year. I was trying to decide if I should stop from from the 7D to the 5DmII.

From what I can tell, the benefits of the 5DmII are...

1. Better image quality
2. Less noise in low-light situations
3. Full-frame sensor*.

Other than that, the 7D wins in just about every other category. Because it's newer, I reckon.

So what I really want is the 5DmII with all the modern bells and whistles of the 7D... Faster burst, better auto-focus, remote Speedlite triggering, etc.

That camera? Probably the 5DmIII, so I decided to wait for it. I'm still foaming at the mouth for an upgrade, but I'm sure I'll be thrilled that I waited when the new 5D comes out.

*Full-frame sensor isn't necessarily better. It usually is, but not always. Macro photography is an example of when it isn't.
 
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