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ght56

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There is no need to IMO, but there wasn't a whole lot of need previously with the Intel systems. One of my Intel MBPs which I don't update anymore and only use as a television has been running for 651 days consecutively without having been shut down, restarted, or put to sleep.
 

Moosebear

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I restart my 2013 MacBook Pro every week or two, and I have for years. I’m running a lot of programs, big files in Logic Pro with third-party plug-ins etc. The machine seems to slow down if I don’t do that. My 500 MB disc is about 90% full though, Maybe that somehow the problem? I’m hoping that the 1 TB drive in a new new M1 pro may not need that.
 

acidfast7_redux

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no.

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Moosebear

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Here’s an article that talks about what happens when you restart your Mac. It’s suggesting that it’s basically good housekeeping.

I don’t know how accurate this particular article is, I’ve always restarted mine with this understanding.

 

orbitalpunk

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I restart every day. Saves electricity, reduces heat breakdown of internal components and resets the memory and cache. If you ever needed enough of a reason that restarts are good and does fix problems as bonus, no example makes a stronger case for it than this.
 

Dave_O

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In the past, there were a few reasons:
1. OS and program bugs, memory leaks, etc, which will be fixed by a reboot.
2. Mechanical component life, fans and hard drives. Endless debates if continual runnning was better than the stress of power on cycles.
3. Dust accumulation from the case fans running all the time.

For the M1 MacBook Air, points 2 and 3 are not relevant. From a HW perspective, it does seem to be a MacOS version of the iPad.
 
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Erehy Dobon

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Remember what that presenter during the M1 event said, "The greenest power is the power you don't use." (paraphrasing)

Leaving the system on, even in low power consumption mode, when you don't require it to be doing anything is still a waste of this planet's resources.

If you need further clarification, please contact Apple directly.
 

Zazoh

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Leaving the system on, even in low power consumption mode, when you don't require it to be doing anything is still a waste of this planet's resources.
A lot like these forums, no?

My carbon footprint is fairly low. And my local energy and water company tell me I'm doing much better than the neighbors, but I'm certainly not going to stress of minimal power while the computer takes a nap. My porch light is consuming what, 1000 times the amount of power?
 

HEK

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A lot like these forums, no?

My carbon footprint is fairly low. And my local energy and water company tell me I'm doing much better than the neighbors, but I'm certainly not going to stress of minimal power while the computer takes a nap. My porch light is consuming what, 1000 times the amount of power?
Switch to LED bulb for porch light.
 

seangrimes590

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Used without external network connection, so updates weren’t really important. The only time I reboot my machines (Linux, Windows, macOS) are to complete update installation. That said, it doesn’t matter at all. If people want to turn them off at night or when not in use to save on a few watts of power then by all means, have at it, you’re only helping people as a general statement. Related —> I very much hope for the stability of 10.12 at some point here. It’s been missing ever since High Sierra was released.
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johnkree

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I never turned of my MacBook Pro 2011 for more than update reboots or if I had to due to installing new software and it’s still running. The battery has 1300 cycles. Putting a Mac into sleep mode is enough.
 

Zazoh

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Switch to LED bulb for porch light.
House is 3 years old, all preinstalled lighting is LED. Electric bill, except for July and August averages $90. I have friends who pay 3 times that and then $400+ in July and august. (San Antonio, TX)

Yet still, porch light uses more power than sleeping MacBook.

Before someone says, dude lives in Texas, drives gas guzzler PU Truck. I don’t, 35+ MPG in Honda Accord ... wife drives the Truck.?
 

acidfast7_redux

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House is 3 years old, all preinstalled lighting is LED. Electric bill, except for July and August averages $90. I have friends who pay 3 times that and then $400+ in July and august. (San Antonio, TX)

Yet still, porch light uses more power than sleeping MacBook.

Before someone says, dude lives in Texas, drives gas guzzler PU Truck. I don’t, 35+ MPG in Honda Accord ... wife drives the Truck.?
I lived in Texas for 8 years and the energy consumption was abysmal.

Now, I run a family household for four in England (built in 1909) on 15000 kWh/year (15 mWh/year) for all energy consumption. 13mWh/y for natural gas (heat/hot water) and 2mWh/y for electricity.

Dividing by m3 ... we have 100m2 x 2.8m high ceilings ... roughly 280m3 results in ... 53kWh/m3 over the entire year for our 100m2 terraced house.

Using the amount of money spent is a poor comparison because electricity is dirt cheap in the states.

How's your energy footprint looking?

For comparison, all of the energy (100% green in wind/water) runs around £800/yr or about £65/mo.
 
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Mistercharlie

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Nov 27, 2020
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Does the M1 Mac mini ever really sleep? Mine seems to keep busy throughout the night, even when I've explicitly told it to sleep. The connected monitor doesn't come on, but the LED on the connected thunderbolt dock goes on and off.

I imagine that M1 sleep is a lot like iPad sleep, where it's more of an active low-power mode. I just wish it wouldn't activate my dock.
 

snakes-

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Jul 27, 2011
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Have someone disabled the shutdown/restart buttons in the apple menu? or exist some app that prevent people to shut down the mac? Watched the keynote again today and found this.

 
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Superhai

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I turn off computers if I know I won't be using them for some time, I have no plans to change that habit with my M1's. Otherwise I put them to sleep or let them do that on their own.
The M1's have the low power cores, for the purpose to be able to run light task without wasting that much power, but there is no reason to change any habits you have had before, unless it is blocking your productivity or procrastination...
 

haralds

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Jan 3, 2014
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I never turn Macs off except for storage. Older Airs used to be a pain to wake at times. But modern MacBooks and desktops are great. A little tap on the wrist (Apple Watch) and they are ready.
The new M1s top that in just being there. Close the lid when you are done, open when you need them. Or walk away.
 
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