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DHagan4755

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There's rumors that the next Mac mini with M4 will have an external power supply that attaches magnetically like the iMac. However seeing as so many people run a MacBook Pro in clamshell mode with an external display, what if the Mac mini could also be powered over the USB-C port? A lot of monitors, including Apple's 27" Studio Display, do power delivery over USB-C to charge MacBook batteries. This would eliminate the clutter of an external power supply for some users. Thoughts?
 

satinsilverem2

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I think this is likely going to be the future at some point but I do see some sticking points. Most monitors on the market do only 60-80w PD output. While that's fine for most things but remember its not only having to power the Mac itself but also any potential accessories that are plugged into the Mac. On a laptop this isn't an issue because if the machine goes over the power budget of the monitor then it just dips into the battery a little to make up the difference but that's not an option in a desktop. The only way I could see this being implemented now is if its only a small two or three port Mac mini and the more powerful one either gets a larger 140w adapter or flat out doesn't support power over Type C.
 

Fishrrman

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I doubt that any Apple desktop will ever be "powered" over a USBc connection.
Simply not enough power.

The upcoming "smaller" Mini will probably use an "on-the-floor" external power supply such as the iMac currently uses.

Perhaps with an ethernet connection built into the power cord, as well.
 
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theluggage

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I doubt that any Apple desktop will ever be "powered" over a USBc connection.
Simply not enough power.

If they're going to go for an external power supply then it would be dumb not to use USB-C - even if it didn't mean that you could use a harden variety laptop brick.

The 150W and 180W power supplies in the current M2 and M2 Pro are well within the current maximum 240W supported by USB-C/TB power delivery - and represent a pretty generous safety margin over the actual 7 to 50W power consumption that people report - and the M4 is supposed to be significantly more power efficient. I think a big part of the consumption is the need to potentially supply 15W to each downstream TB4 port, also, without a battery, it has to be able to cope with any spikes...

The Apple Studio Display can supply 96W, and making the new mini Mac mini work from a Studio display would be a good target... you probably wouldn't notice a Mini being throttled to 96W.

There's no advantage to using a 'break-away' magnetic connector on a desktop - with no battery you really don't want the cable to pull out accidentally and crash the machine, and the "let's play power-brick Twister' scenarios you get with laptops shouldn't happen with a desktop. The iMac design probably pre-dated 240W USB-C power & they made the thing too thin for an internal PSU or Ethernet jack.

As for Ethernet in the power brick... Well, that's what happens when the designer is living in a bubble (or, more likely, an earthbound flying saucer) where the ethernet sockets are always on the wall right next to the mains sockets, and never stops to think that might not be true for everybody...
 

MBAir2010

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what if they were powered by gerbil!
yes GERBILS!
One just hasta get a hyperactive gerbil, food for gerbils, a cage for gerbils, a round spinney thing for gerbils
 will prepare the rest!
obviously, tim cooks gets a pet for this b'day, two gerbils since he prob had the mini pro deluxe.
this way the king and supreme leader will adhere to this green and furry plan!

i betcha the gerbil will last longer than the mac mini.....
 

redheeler

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There's rumors that the next Mac mini with M4 will have an external power supply that attaches magnetically like the iMac. However seeing as so many people run a MacBook Pro in clamshell mode with an external display, what if the Mac mini could also be powered over the USB-C port? A lot of monitors, including Apple's 27" Studio Display, do power delivery over USB-C to charge MacBook batteries. This would eliminate the clutter of an external power supply for some users. Thoughts?
That would be cool but my 5K monitor only outputs 90W max which is enough to power my MacBook Pro, but may not be enough to power a device without a battery to fall back on during times of extremely high workload on the CPU / GPU.
 

Chuckeee

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That would be cool but my 5K monitor only outputs 90W max which is enough to power my MacBook Pro, but may not be enough to power a device without a battery to fall back on during times of extremely high workload on the CPU / GPU.
I think there is issue with the potential power draw of multiple Thunderbolt 4 ports
 
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