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Thanks again for your sage advice and help =)

Do you think its worth the trouble to reformat/reinstall?

You're welcome. I'm sure it's solvable in the end.

As a last resort, sure! A reinstall COULD possibly help. (It's likely something Apple will want you to try if you're considering taking it in for repair.)

I'd try resetting the PMU (if your machine has that) and NVRAM first though. Check Apple's support site--the procedure varies for different Macs so I forget how to do it. My parents had a firewire port die, and it came back after resetting the NVRAM--but we had to do it the hard way when the regular way didn't help: we unplugged the machine for 24 hours and firewire was back. So it's amazing the weird problems that corrupted NV data can cause.
 
First off I want to thank all of you so much, the MacRumors community is really cool. I'm glad I finally registered here, its refreshing to not deal with total fanboism or Windows "gamerz" who say "WTF MACS GTFO".

Anyways I got more info that may help to explain the problem a bit. I was just playing WoW (just launched it had been in game for about 10 min) when all the sudden I noticed that my FPS (while flying) were in the low 15s. This was consistent for a few minutes, then sped back up to 50 when I landed.

Keep in mind this has NEVER happened to me before, the Mac has always run PERFECT in WoW for hours no matter what I was doing at a consistent 55-60 fps (i have vsync on with ALL the settings on high). I windowed WoW and checked my iStat pro and it reported my CPU A at 77degrees and my GPU at 79. It said the fans were spining at 3000rpm but I could barely hear them.

Do you think this points in any particular direction? My Mac was fine this week and last week before I formatted and reinstalled OS X (my time capsule hard drive failed so I sent it in and just reformatted for the heck of it). So the problems werent happening on my old OS X install.

Any ideas? Ahhhh I'm so nervous now!

Thanks again for all the help yall! ^^

I doubt its a heat issue - 77C CPU is not high at all. Its probably because the area you were flying in was very graphics-intensive or there's a driver issue, which is not unheard of on GeForce 8600 MBPs.

Get SMC Fan Control and set the fans at maximum and try playing this part again. My bet is that it won't make any difference.
 
I doubt its a heat issue - 77C CPU is not high at all. Its probably because the area you were flying in was very graphics-intensive or there's a driver issue, which is not unheard of on GeForce 8600 MBPs.

Get SMC Fan Control and set the fans at maximum and try playing this part again. My bet is that it won't make any difference.

Yeah Im starting to think its software.

I am getting REALLY crazy FPS jumps. Like from 60 to 55 to 45 to 59 to 60.

Before I would just vary from 59 to 60 occasionally, it was ALWAYS consistent. And occasionally weird things are happening like earlier there was a graphics "stutter" (for lake of a better word) in WoW.

UGH. I guess my only option is to format :(
 
Just a thought, were you running from PSU or battery?

I've noticed video skipping problems associated with low battery charge as the cores are shuffled around on my MBP. Plugging the PSU in solved the issues, this may have something to do with your framerate issue.

I have an original MBP 17" (2.1Ghz, 2 Gb ram) and it gets 30-40 fps out of WoW generally, although it drops in the old hotspots like outside IF bank etc.

Your ping can also effect the gamespeed, but not the FPS clearly.
 
Yeah Im starting to think its software.

I am getting REALLY crazy FPS jumps. Like from 60 to 55 to 45 to 59 to 60.

Before I would just vary from 59 to 60 occasionally, it was ALWAYS consistent. And occasionally weird things are happening like earlier there was a graphics "stutter" (for lake of a better word) in WoW.

UGH. I guess my only option is to format :(

Thats not "crazy" FPS jumps. Crazy is like from 60 to 10. What you're experiencing is normal variation throughout all game. Different locations are of a different complexity, so FPS variation is normal. I guess your FPS is capped at 60? That explains the consistent "59-60" FPS, because the machine is capable of delivering more 60 FPS, even in more complex areas, so it stays at around 60 most of the time.

Format won't help. It's normal and no need to worry. :)
 
Im pretty much using it on the same surface. Whats confusing is I wanna think that its an OS X issue but it just started up. My laptop hasnt moved so i dont think a component could have failed that quickly and even if it was WoW itself I dont know why it would just start. I havent installed 10.5.4 Im going to do that now.

All I know is its hovering primarily aroudn the mid 30s in FPS and it used to stay solid 60 with minimal fan usage... :/ This is one of those crappy problems thats hard to pinpoint but decreases the quality of gaming - ugh!

Thanks again for your sage advice and help =)

Do you think its worth the trouble to reformat/reinstall?

It's a shame you're having trouble on ETQW. Yes, make sure your OS X is up to date and you've installed the 1.50 patch for ETQW. For a while, I tried playing on OS 10.11 and the performance was variable, sometimes becoming unplayable.

I would try tinkering with your graphics settings as well. There is an online series called Tweak Guides which go into much detail about the gfx settings. Well worth your time reading them and seeing if you can improve your performance...before you reinstall.

Personally, I can't fault Aspyr as they are one of a handful of companies who provide us Maccers with decent new games (OK, I'll overlook the much delayed CoD4!). CoD2 was superb and gave me hours of enjoyment.

I can only say that I'll be gaming on my imac until my hardware becomes too archaic to run current games then I'll probably switch over to a console but that is some time away yet.

PS: my ETQW in game name is Dan.Dare.
 
Thats not "crazy" FPS jumps. Crazy is like from 60 to 10. What you're experiencing is normal variation throughout all game. Different locations are of a different complexity, so FPS variation is normal. I guess your FPS is capped at 60? That explains the consistent "59-60" FPS, because the machine is capable of delivering more 60 FPS, even in more complex areas, so it stays at around 60 most of the time.

Format won't help. It's normal and no need to worry. :)

Like I said earlier though sometimes it is dipping down to 10-15.

Also weird stuff sometimes happens like last night it was "stuttering".
 
No sense at all?

Probably because you want to carry ONE laptop, not two

I'm sorry but "hardcore gamer" and mac don't mix, and a hardcore gamer would know that.

I like games and all, but I bought my MBP because it is the best mobile unix option going. The fact that I can boot into windows and do some light gaming is a plus. But hardcore gaming? Even a Mac Pro is not a good gaming rig for the extreme crowd - no SLI. Not to mention the fact that computer games are made for windows...and that is what you want to run if you game.
 
I'm sorry but "hardcore gamer" and mac don't mix, and a hardcore gamer would know that.

I like games and all, but I bought my MBP because it is the best mobile unix option going. The fact that I can boot into windows and do some light gaming is a plus. But hardcore gaming? Even a Mac Pro is not a good gaming rig for the extreme crowd - no SLI. Not to mention the fact that computer games are made for windows...and that is what you want to run if you game.

Your needs don't speak for all others, though--not even for all who consider themselves very serious about gaming, like msyelf. You may desire a PC and a Mac both (if you fit your definition of "hardcore") but people with OTHER priorities, who wish to carry a single laptop that does everything they want, are not somehow wrong.

And a MacBook Pro not meeting the needs of the "extreme" SLI card is no reason to choose a Windows laptop over Mac OS X. (Or, if the OP considers themselves "hardcore" and you feel the word has one true definition which you know and they don't, then that's a disagreement about words--but it doesn't change the fact that there are great reasons why some serious gamers choose to game on a Mac--and even in OS X itself.)
 
Don't get me started on mouseless, dumbed-down Quake Wars with auto-aim "training wheels" on PS3 and Xbox :p But to each his own...
 
Wow, I love how people expect everything to be instant nowadays.

"WAAAHHHHH I NEED TO WAIT 3 MINUTES TO START A GAME!!! WAAAHHH :("
 
I'm sorry but "hardcore gamer" and mac don't mix, and a hardcore gamer would know that.

I like games and all, but I bought my MBP because it is the best mobile unix option going. The fact that I can boot into windows and do some light gaming is a plus. But hardcore gaming? Even a Mac Pro is not a good gaming rig for the extreme crowd - no SLI. Not to mention the fact that computer games are made for windows...and that is what you want to run if you game.

I am not a hardcore gamer, but playing on 17" MacBook Pro, I am almost always in the top 25%, often in top 3, and occasionally the top score (>10%) in Team Fortress 2, even on some clan servers.
 
Wow, I love how people expect everything to be instant nowadays.

"WAAAHHHHH I NEED TO WAIT 3 MINUTES TO START A GAME!!! WAAAHHH :("

It's not just 3 minutes, and it's not just TIME. It's time, effort and hassle, and losing access to what you had been doing before the game. And it's not just once, it's every time you game. And that DOES take away both fun and productivity--and can even make you game less often.

You may not be thinking this through completely--rebooting works fine for you and for many others, and I won't deny that--but not everyone has the same needs and habits you do.

I do understand why some people choose to reboot and deal with Windows. But here's why, for me, that is unacceptable:

1. I want to have my same browser, bookmarks, email, chat apps, text editors, and other tools at my fingertips. So when it's time to research a game question, gather other people for a game, download maps/mods/patches, or other activity AROUND gaming, I'm still comfortably at home in OS X.

2. Rebooting means shutting down all the "stuff" I have open on my Mac, and then "getting it all out again" after the game. (Most Mac apps play well with others: you can leave tons of stuff open without a performance problem.) People complain about having to insert a disc to play a game--and rebooting is FAR more hassle than that. I often have documents spread out in different spaces, web pages open, emails open--all kinds of windows that I’m using together for a certain task or project. If I close them all, not only do I have to manually open (and even re-position) them all again after gaming, but I have to REMEMBER all the things I had open in the first place! It’s like having to move all the stuff off of your office desk, but it away in cabinets, and then remember where it all came from to get it back again later. It’s not just a time issue, it’s a productivity issue for me. Some people don’t do a lot of complex multi-app work, but the Mac at excels at that kind of productivity, and I do--all the time. And I like to mix it with gaming.

3. I will game MORE OFTEN if I can quickly and painlessly launch the game, play for a bit, and then get back to other things. Rebooting (twice) means delay and hassle, and I simply won't play as often if I have to face that.

4. Since I use my Mac as a DVR (via EyeTV) to automatically record HD TV shows, rebooting would be a problem: the DVR software wouldn't be running, and if a show came on while I was gaming I would miss the recording. This way I don’t have to check the TV schedule before gaming!

5. The general hassle of dealing with Windows. Gaming should be fun, and battling Windows is not fun for me. OS X is stable, secure, and much easier to troubleshoot if something goes wrong. Games are already the LEAST stable class of commercial apps... the last thing I need is to be fighting Windows as well!

6. Security of the Mac side: unless you stay off the Internet, running Windows can THEORETICALLY open your entire Mac hard disk up to attack. This has never happened to my knowledge, but there are at least two potential risks to even the Mac side:

* Windows can't see the Mac partition, but a virus/worm/other malware can still see the physical drive device--and theoretically could erase the whole drive, Mac and Windows alike.

* Software exists for Windows to let it read/write on Mac partitions. A virus could theoretically include such software, allowing it to mine or attack your Mac partition just the way Windows users have been attacked.

Again, that's theoretical--but still enough to give me pause. I'd rather not have to think about it. So I like VMWare. If you run Parallels or VMWare, games may not run, but at least your Mac stuff is safe!

7. Security of the Windows side. Aside from attacks coming from Windows and reaching the Mac side (highly unlikely) there is the issue of Windows attacks reaching the Windows side! Yes, you can get a virus in Parallels, VMWare OR Boot Camp, if you do something careless. There's nothing to stop that other than what every PC user does (or should do). Which means run a bunch of anti-malware apps that slow your system down and are a major pain each time you start up. And which work great--until they don't. So you have to keep yourself educated--which is additional aggravation. I don’t want to spend time keeping my knowledge and my machine up-to-date on malware defense for Windows. See above under “not fun.” Many Windows users stay secure--but they have invested in learning how, and much as they take it for granted, it IS a chore until you’re used to just accepting it.

8. Disk space. Setting aside a partition for Windows shrinks the storage space I have left for everything else.

It’s a personal call--game on Windows or stay in OS X--and neither choice is wrong.
 
I'm sorry but "hardcore gamer" and mac don't mix, and a hardcore gamer would know that.

Sorry, but it seems that your self-defined definition of Hardcore gamer is off.

I'm a hardcore gamer and dev who's still playing games on a 2ghz C2D iMac. What you are indeed referring to is a graphics whore. Which is an entirely different breed of game player.
 
Sorry, but it seems that your self-defined definition of Hardcore gamer is off.

I'm a hardcore gamer and dev who's still playing games on a 2ghz C2D iMac. What you are indeed referring to is a graphics whore. Which is an entirely different breed of game player.

Quoted for truth, I don't know a single person who actually uses dual graphics cards.

Not to mention that Mac Pros CAN use Crossfire, just not SLI, and only in Windows.
 
Why complain? Build yourself a pcgaming rig. You can do it easily for under $700. I faced the facts. I switched to the mac a few years. I love my Mac. I'll continue to use it for everything else. I'll even play WoW on it still, but I'm not going to shell out an extra $1k just to get an iMac with an 8800gs and still end up with a fairly underpowered gaming machine.

IN the case of gaming, pcs have the better business model. Cheap and easily upgradeable machines and market share. Apple doesn't care about gaming and doesn't put out any machines under $2k with a decent video card.

For $700 I got an ATI 4850, 2 gigs ram, P35 Gigabyte mb, E2160 cpu overclockable to ~3ghz, a 500gb Seagate hard drive, 20x dvd burner and last, but not least (and I splurged a bit here because there are cheaper options) an Antec Nine Hundred Black computer case and PCPower&Cooling Silencer 500W power supply.

Now if only the iMac had a video in then I wouldn't need a second monitor on my desk.
 
Why complain? Build yourself a pcgaming rig. You can do it easily for under $700.

That would lack some of the portability of his MacBook Pro :p Plus, his issue isn't caused by choosing a Mac: it's something that started happening when it wasn't happening before.

(I'd personally find building a PC to be fun, and almost did so except I wouldn't have had a use for it. But many would not find that fun OR easy. You can be serious about games without being serious about building PCs.)

I think some people have a knee-jerk reaction against playing games on OS X--something I do daily :D They'll say "you must game in Windows" no matter what.
 
Why complain? Build yourself a pcgaming rig. You can do it easily for under $700. I faced the facts. I switched to the mac a few years. I love my Mac. I'll continue to use it for everything else. I'll even play WoW on it still, but I'm not going to shell out an extra $1k just to get an iMac with an 8800gs and still end up with a fairly underpowered gaming machine.

IN the case of gaming, pcs have the better business model. Cheap and easily upgradeable machines and market share. Apple doesn't care about gaming and doesn't put out any machines under $2k with a decent video card.

For $700 I got an ATI 4850, 2 gigs ram, P35 Gigabyte mb, E2160 cpu overclockable to ~3ghz, a 500gb Seagate hard drive, 20x dvd burner and last, but not least (and I splurged a bit here because there are cheaper options) an Antec Nine Hundred Black computer case and PCPower&Cooling Silencer 500W power supply.

Now if only the iMac had a video in then I wouldn't need a second monitor on my desk.

god...

1)tired of prebuilding machines and all the problems assosiated with it, like having to clean the interior from dust and stuff every third month or some stupid crap like that.

2)the graphics card on the new Imac is great. In boot camp. I get a 3dmark 06 score at almost 13000!!! It plays Crysis at a mix between high and highest settings very smooth at 1200x800, and other games very great in vista.

3)you can always get more for your buck in terms of power if your willing to have ugly cassis, more wires and cables, less great design, less choices in terms of OS... more exterior things like webcam and all that.
If your going to spend alot of money, it better be something your actually like, and not something you think is ugly.
The Imac gives great value for the buck(in my opinion) and I dont see why it would be better to have gotten a gaming rig.

Being a hardcore gamer does not mean that you only care about games. hardcore gamers, are people like everyone else who get into games, but they might also get into other stuff like... media, video editing, text and image editing, great design, simplistic and so on, which are things that I CARE ABOUT! So gaming is one important part of it, but not it all.
You cant have it all, is something we all know, but no one here is complaining about the price or the raw power of the Imac 3 GHz, because its a screamer in an incredible silent and thin form factor, which is unlike anything I have seen on the marked.
This thread is about the software(games) performance in Mac OSX. The delayed patches, the unstable and unoptimized game suppport...
Buying games on a Mac is like buying any other software on the mac. Its software you paid for, and its absolute horse poop, that they are not suppporting their products, to make them run better than they are.
We see great ports across the consoles and handheld platforms more and more.
I feel that they need to do a better job on Mac. What is OSXs markedshare now? 6%? If OSX can climb up to like 10% or even better, then that will mean that every 1 out of 10 computer in the world is a mac, and a potential gamer, and at that point it might be impossible for developers to ignore the growing mac audience.
 
god...

1)tired of prebuilding machines and all the problems assosiated with it, like having to clean the interior from dust and stuff every third month or some stupid crap like that.

2)the graphics card on the new Imac is great. In boot camp. I get a 3dmark 06 score at almost 13000!!! It plays Crysis at a mix between high and highest settings very smooth at 1200x800, and other games very great in vista.

3)you can always get more for your buck in terms of power if your willing to have ugly cassis, more wires and cables, less great design, less choices in terms of OS... more exterior things like webcam and all that.
If your going to spend alot of money, it better be something your actually like, and not something you think is ugly.
The Imac gives great value for the buck(in my opinion) and I dont see why it would be better to have gotten a gaming rig.

Being a hardcore gamer does not mean that you only care about games. hardcore gamers, are people like everyone else who get into games, but they might also get into other stuff like... media, video editing, text and image editing, great design, simplistic and so on, which are things that I CARE ABOUT! So gaming is one important part of it, but not it all.
You cant have it all, is something we all know, but no one here is complaining about the price or the raw power of the Imac 3 GHz, because its a screamer in an incredible silent and thin form factor, which is unlike anything I have seen on the marked.
This thread is about the software(games) performance in Mac OSX. The delayed patches, the unstable and unoptimized game suppport...
Buying games on a Mac is like buying any other software on the mac. Its software you paid for, and its absolute horse poop, that they are not suppporting their products, to make them run better than they are.
We see great ports across the consoles and handheld platforms more and more.
I feel that they need to do a better job on Mac. What is OSXs markedshare now? 6%? If OSX can climb up to like 10% or even better, then that will mean that every 1 out of 10 computer in the world is a mac, and a potential gamer, and at that point it might be impossible for developers to ignore the growing mac audience.

You're mostly preaching to the choir.

LIke I said earlier, Mac gaming sucks so why fight it? Go where the games are. Use your Mac for everything else.
 
I do have a gaming PC, but sometimes I just like sitting on my couch and playing games. That and I don't have a desk yet since I moved so there really is no place for me to play on that unless I want to sit on the floor, and that hurts in every way (wrist, back, etc).

But anyways, I've been playing D2 on my macbook pro and it's ridiculous how hot it gets. D2 isn't that graphic intensive at all, being a 8 year old game! I downloaded a program to change my fan speed and now I have both fans running max at 6000 rpms. It helps a little bit, but I'm worried it'll kill my fan life and they'll die! Should I be concerned?

With news that nvidia has released a lot of cards with heat problems, I wonder if the card I have could be one of them and that's why.
 
With news that nvidia has released a lot of cards with heat problems, I wonder if the card I have could be one of them and that's why.

That's a thought, but also, for couch gaming, put the laptop on a hard tray if you don't already. The vents aren't the only cooling: the whole underside should be able to radiate for best cooling. (I even prop the back of mine up.)
 
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