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DC3400

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Jan 2, 2009
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I have a recurring problem since Sierra. I thought the issue might have been fixed with High Sierra but nope. The Administration account showed the same corruption after a High Sierra upgrade from Sierra in April. The problem may show up after a week, weeks, months, etc.


1. Double click app not already open all Finder windows and file icons on desktop disappear then reappear. App not launched.


2. Click app in dock or file into app in dock. Screens go black. Dock animated off bottom of screen. Screens come back on. Dock animated upward. App not launched.


3. Double click picture or document file associated with App then #1.


4. Drop picture or document into running App on dock then #2.


5. The only way to runs app is to add them as a login item and restart. If any of these apps are quit then this procedure must be repeated. Although some apps will run others are worthless as documents created by them can't be opened as per #3 & #4.


Attempts to fix the problem:


A . I have completely erased the HD and reinstalled the OS and all my apps multiple times. This takes several days! It would take much longer if I did not maintain an archive of all my application’s dmg files, passwords, etc. Problem goes away for awhile then reappears.


B. Reinstall Os using Internet Recovery. Does nothing - still corrupted.


C. Upgrade using Internet Recovery. Does nothing - still corrupted.


D. Created new Admin account. Problem goes away for a while then reappears.


E. Disk Utility - live and via Internet Recovery. Does nothing - still corrupted.


F. Checked for viruses via ClamX. Never have found any.


G. Check system and apps with EtreCheck. No problems.


H. Check HDs with SMART Utility. No problems.


I. Terminal commands to reset various setting.


J. Trashed finder and dock preferences. Trashed other apps preferences. Trashed all preferences in User / Library / Preferences.


K. OnyX will crash even if its added as a login item. Once you O.K. it to get the system information it crashes. OnyX will run before the account is corrupted but then it questionable if it fixes anything.


L. Used Get Info to reset permissions. All the apps and documents say I have permission before this but tried it.


M. Apple just had be download the Capture Data app. This app crashes. They had me create a new Admin account and run it on that; however, that makes little sense as it will not capture what is wrong with the corrupted user account.


Capture Data would likely run as a login item but it displays a dialog box that asks your permission to run as app downloaded form the internet. As soon as you say yes it crashes. I tried to temporary bypass this by using the Terminal to disable GateKeeper to allow all apps in which case the dialog box is not displayed but it still crashes upon start. Why on earth would Apple have you download a app that its own system flags as unapproved?


At least its better than the last Apple customer service call. It must have been close to closing time as after I gave him the information then total silence on their end.


6. The crash reports for Finder, Dock, or other Apps allow show the same reason:


Exception Type: EXC_BAD_INSTRUCTION (SIGILL)

Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000001, 0x0000000000000000

Exception Note: EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY


Termination Signal: Illegal instruction: 4

Termination Reason: Namespace SIGNAL, Code 0x4

Terminating Process: exc handler [0]


Application Specific Information:

*** __CFTypeCollectionRetain() called with NULL; likely a collection has been corrupted ***


7. Its frankly starting to feel a lot like a Dilbert strip whereas the company makes it money by giving away software that intentionally triples their user’s system in order to sell customers support calls and software that “repairs” the problem. In this case its an attempt to get the customer to take their Mac to a authorized Mac dealer so they can sell the customer a new Mac. Sorry, Apple, not going to drive my Mac 60 miles one way to have some fly by night low volume dealer do whos know what to my Mac and then try to sell me a new one. Sorry Apple, I don’t have a spare $20,000 to replace my software that will not run on your new Mac plus buy new peripherals and a new Mac to boot.
 
High Sierra seems unstable in a production environment. I will not roll it out to a large user base yet.
 
N. I also ran disk Warrior and it rebuilt the drive. Did not fix corrupted user account.

K. I had previous also tried running Onyx in the corrupted user account but it failed. I ran Onyx from a new Administraiton account and under preferences I had it apply its "magic" to all the installed users instead of the just the current one.

Onyx did not fix the issue with the corrupted Admin account; however, now Capture Data is running.

I am not able to send this report to Apple. After previously running Capture Data I tried to upload it to their web site at least a dozen times. It stalls at 52% to 63%. I am on high speed fiber optic cable and am only 1500 feet from the local telephone company hub so the problem is on their end. What does get uploaded is very slow. They have one heck of a throttle on bandwidth on their end.

I ended up uploading the file to Google Drive giving them a link.

Here goes another 2 weeks of no work!
 
Hi, I'll put in 2 cents. If you wiped the drive and reinstalled the OS from scratch using a good copy (not pirated) then that should fix any OS or account corruption. Unless you have rootkit malware, that lives beneath the OS. If you completely overwrite the drive (with 1's and 0's for example) that should also eradicate a rootkit. (Edit: you might have to do more work if you have a boot sector rootkit. read this)

I think you also have to consider this being a hardware problem, like a defective or failing HD (despite the good S.M.A.R.T. readings you report). Also, your ram could be shot. Even your motherboard or power supply. What kind of Mac do you have? If the parts are not soldered in, then you could probably fix this.
 
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To clarify - you are reinstalling the apps & software from an archive of dmg's rather than installing from original disks or downloading the latest version from the internet? I think this might be were something is corrupt or causing corruption. Install everything you can from the Mac App store then use fresh downloads for anything else that was purchased outside of it.

When you begin installing the non-App store software, test the machine to see if the problem returns. This could take a while if you have a lot of applications but it's the only way to know for sure if it's one of those or if your hardware is screwed.
 
Hi, I'll put in 2 cents. If you wiped the drive and reinstalled the OS from scratch using a good copy (not pirated) then that should fix any OS or account corruption. Unless you have rootkit malware, that lives beneath the OS. If you completely overwrite the drive (with 1's and 0's for example) that should also eradicate a rootkit. (Edit: you might have to do more work if you have a boot sector rootkit. read this)

I think you also have to consider this being a hardware problem, like a defective or failing HD (despite the good S.M.A.R.T. readings you report). Also, your ram could be shot. Even your motherboard or power supply. What kind of Mac do you have? If the parts are not soldered in, then you could probably fix this.

The OS installations require a Apple ID and are installed form Apple's servers.

Its a Mac Pro that originally came with 10.6. It was updated to Mavericks. It was updated to Sierra and then the problems started. I thought the problem might be solved with High Sierra but the problem returned again. High Sierra was last installed in April. When my Mac came there was no CD with it. I asked on threads why there was none and was first told my model did not come with one. Then I was told by Apple it should have come with one and they sent a NOT FOR RESALE replacement but it would not run.

I have reinstalled Sierra several times by completing wiping the drive before a fresh reinstall from Apple's servers. I have also used different HDs. The current HD with the OS is new.

The RAM is a matched set of three. One of these units were replaced under a lifetime warranty for creating minor errors which the OS automatically corrects. Apple's own software did not detect this.

I seriously doubt there are any hardware issues as I take great care of my Macs. I have G4s from 1999 and 2000 running with multiple SATA HDs, graphic card upgrades, USB cards, etc... Dust is the main great killer. They are shut down and cleaned with air.
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To clarify - you are reinstalling the apps & software from an archive of dmg's rather than installing from original disks or downloading the latest version from the internet? I think this might be were something is corrupt or causing corruption. Install everything you can from the Mac App store then use fresh downloads for anything else that was purchased outside of it.

When you begin installing the non-App store software, test the machine to see if the problem returns. This could take a while if you have a lot of applications but it's the only way to know for sure if it's one of those or if your hardware is screwed.

A complete reinstall of everything takes days thus lately I instead create a new Admin account. I copy some app data that is stored within Application Support but avoid copying any system information or actual preferences for apps. Having done this several times I have these color coded. Each time all the apps work! The last Admin account lasted 4 months before it went bad. I obtain no advantage from a complete reinstall verses creating a new Admin and the same symptoms show up at a unknown time in the future.

In most cases there are no latest versions because the app is not made any more or the company is out of business. I have Adobe Master Collection CS3 and CS6 which cost several thousand bucks by itself but Adobe has moved to a subscription service. All my software license information is stored in database and all my archive of software is stored on completely separate HDs that are temporary attached via a HD dock. All my pictures, music, documents are backed up on similar drives rather than filling up the OS drive. Some apps still store their data in folders in the Library folder so these must be exported in order to be saved. Others such as TextNut use the sandbox.

I have very few apps from the App Store. Most of the apps I have i have used for years.
 
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