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Since the Touch Bar is OLED, do you expect burn in?
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I understand what you mean, but even with the App Mode, certain buttons (like the ones in the expendable control strip part to the right) remain on screen all the time, so it's basically the same.
Still, I hope this won't be an issue.
Considering if we take an AppleCare pack our systems are protected for 3 years, this should be enough time for burn to appear, no? We could get it replaced. And anyway, can't do anything but use the machine to its fullest. Worrying about the 9Ah difference between nTB and TB, worrying about this burn, is all gonna take us away from using the machine. That way, we should not buy laptops, to keep the batteries in top condition. We should not use the laptops, since using them means precious read/write cycles on the disk. So on. 
My point, just use the new machine with new possibilities and capabilities and enjoy the experience.
My point, just use the new machine with new possibilities and capabilities and enjoy the experience.
Considering if we take an AppleCare pack our systems are protected for 3 years, this should be enough time for burn to appear, no? We could get it replaced. And anyway, can't do anything but use the machine to its fullest. Worrying about the 9Ah difference between nTB and TB, worrying about this burn, is all gonna take us away from using the machine. That way, we should not buy laptops, to keep the batteries in top condition. We should not use the laptops, since using them means precious read/write cycles on the disk. So on.
My point, just use the new machine with new possibilities and capabilities and enjoy the experience.
I agree. I was more curious than anything, but I'm not worrying about it
I have begun making the touch bar my own - something I couldn't do with the redundant buttons (for me) on the keyboard of my old MBP or the new nTB MBP.
I have removed Siri, brought in Screen Capture. Expanding the touch bar, I brought in Screen Lock, and can now quickly use the screen lock button when I am at the office and wish to move around from my desk for something. Coming back, a short and sweet smooch between my fingertip and the Mac brings the Mac alive.
There are good customisation possibilities with the touch bar and I recognised this when I saw the context-sensitive nature of the TB, and hence purchased this. The only buttons I ever touched on my old MBP were display brightness and sound apart from Escape. Having the touch bar means I will now have relevant stuff literally on tap.
Touch bar is a step forward in making the Mac and the general computing experience better, if only one can see it with open eyes instead of dismissing it as a gimmick.
I have removed Siri, brought in Screen Capture. Expanding the touch bar, I brought in Screen Lock, and can now quickly use the screen lock button when I am at the office and wish to move around from my desk for something. Coming back, a short and sweet smooch between my fingertip and the Mac brings the Mac alive.
There are good customisation possibilities with the touch bar and I recognised this when I saw the context-sensitive nature of the TB, and hence purchased this. The only buttons I ever touched on my old MBP were display brightness and sound apart from Escape. Having the touch bar means I will now have relevant stuff literally on tap.
Touch bar is a step forward in making the Mac and the general computing experience better, if only one can see it with open eyes instead of dismissing it as a gimmick.
Why not just use the quick and easy keyboard shortcuts to do same?
Screen Capture combo especially has been ingrained in my muscle memory for years and years...
You end up needing the space bar to switch modes of capture anyhow (from drag selection to window)
I think you should not be considering AppleCare in this instance as the TB should be lasting a reasonable amount of time else there will be an awful lot of claims under European consumer rights or recall etcConsidering if we take an AppleCare pack our systems are protected for 3 years, this should be enough time for burn to appear, no? We could get it replaced. And anyway, can't do anything but use the machine to its fullest. Worrying about the 9Ah difference between nTB and TB, worrying about this burn, is all gonna take us away from using the machine. That way, we should not buy laptops, to keep the batteries in top condition. We should not use the laptops, since using them means precious read/write cycles on the disk. So on.
My point, just use the new machine with new possibilities and capabilities and enjoy the experience.
As you note just enjoy
Before the touch bar, I was and still am totally accustomed to the command + shift + 3 or 4 depending on what you want to do. Having it on the TB is just a "convenience".
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I suggested AppleCare as an option to aevan if he wishes to and since it is relatively cheaper to buy with better facilities offered to the user than in my country. I did not take AppleCare for my 2011 MBP 15 because it was priced at $400. I may not take AppleCare for this machine as well.
They remain onscreen, but the proportions change as you move between different applications. From a technical standpoint, the OLED panel is not displaying a consistent image.
My appols if you read it as a criticism
No No, got your purport. I was merely telling that I wasn't considering it and was only suggesting him exactly what you said, that there isn't actually a need, but he may take it if he finds he really would be happier with it.
Plus, the good thing being that for the price, they don't cripple AppleCare like they do here in India, so for many in the US or any other major Apple market, it may actually make good sense considering that AppleCare comes cheap for what it offers.
I'm pretty sure the minimized control strip part (the shorter one, with siri and volume, etc) stays in the same place for most of the time.
Still, not worried.
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My appols if you read it as a criticism
Yup, AC is really expensive for MBPs now, but I got it just the same. Peace of mind and all that.
Before the touch bar, I was and still am totally accustomed to the command + shift + 3 or 4 depending on what you want to do. Having it on the TB is just a "convenience".
To me that sounds a lot like "a function I don't need on the touch bar as I already am accustomed to doing it faster and easier without even needing to look down"
No problem
Agreed many US users here who rarely see the other side of the ponds cost of ownership and level of service similar in UAE and Thailand. AC was a bit more troublesome in UAE until a true Apple store opened just over a year back, before authorised dealers did not offer the same level of service or support if you needed it
Personally I have never bought AC and being lucky I am several $K in front now
but I did advise my son to get it for the rMB I gifted him, fortunately he gets educational discount as a lecturerI only recommended it for the rMB KB and those tiered batteries. The MBP 2016 should be a better risk IMO
To me that sounds a lot like "a function I don't need on the touch bar as I already am accustomed to doing it faster and easier without even needing to look down"
On the Touch Bar you can change what area to capture and whether to send the image to the desktop, to the documents or to the clipboard. It's very convenient - one button replaces 4 keyboard shortcuts, and even adds an additional option (sending images to the Documents folder)
Touch Bar is not meant to replace keyboard shortcuts, but to offer interactive controls that offer additional options that shortcuts can't.
It's secondary function is to offer shortcuts to actions you don't know keyboard shortcuts for, but that's not the main reason for using it.
It's a very useful and smart feature that will only get better with time.
Ok. Hardly essential at this time.
If they bring it to desktop and Devs dig in for a couple years maybe..for now I'm on the sidelines anyhow as a desktop user.
Well, depends how you define "essential"? Is any improvement "essential"? Is a faster CPU essential? You can do most work on a 2011 MBP even today. So it's not essential - but it's useful.
Seems to me like you're downplaying it to feel better for not having it - sorry, but it really does. It's not "essential" - it's just very, very useful and a great addition to the Mac. It is a great improvement to the input.
Still, this is not the topic of this conversation. I was just interested in people's views on OLED burn in.
It's in the same place in that it's on the right edge of the Touch Bar. But when you switch applications, the buttons lengthen and shorten based on the context. Burn in occurs when each pixel is constantly displaying the same thing. In this case, even though the panel as a whole is displaying the same buttons, the pixels themselves are not displaying the same thing.
Does anything fit into that description? For example - everyone wants a faster cpu and gpu with each generation - but is that "extremely important"? If you're looking for only essential and extremely important updates, you can get by with any Mac in the last five or six years.
I think the new macOS will have better out-of-the-box support for Touch Bar. Right now it is just a glimpse. This is Apple today, we get hardware first year and full software support next year with updated hardware.
The only gripe anybody is having with a Touch Bar is simply Apple's fault, they did not bring as nested support for it as they could have brought, and hence people are left to feel it as gimmicky since the purpose as well as scope is not yet fully realised.
The only gripe anybody is having with a Touch Bar is simply Apple's fault, they did not bring as nested support for it as they could have brought, and hence people are left to feel it as gimmicky since the purpose as well as scope is not yet fully realised.