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Siri Rumored to Take a Backseat at WWDC 2025

bunce66 said:
"Not ready for prime time"??? Seriously, tens of millions of people are using them and love them. I can't think of a better time, even though they make mistakes.
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I was at a birthday party for a friend.

I wrote a heartfelt poem (doing such is a minor talent).

I showed it to 3 folks beforehand and all asked me if I used chat gpt. I told them I hadn’t turned on Apple intelligence. Two of them told me they used gpt and then massaged it for their greetings in their cards.

Folks are using this stuff even I’m not.
 
With so much focus on Siri, there’s practically no discussion of Apple’s AI leadership in some areas. Chief among these is Summarization in Safari. It’s easier to use than in competing browsers and accurate. Here’s the summary of this article:

Apple is expected to focus on enhancing existing Apple Intelligence capabilities and adding new features at WWDC 2025, rather than discussing Siri. This includes an AI-optimized battery management mode and a virtual health coach, with Google Gemini as a ChatGPT alternative for Siri in iOS 19.​
 
I’ve always wondered do they simply not have enough employees or is everything that poorly managed? They supposedly have a Siri team internally - literally what has that team been doing for the years between 2014 and 2024? It’s seen a few redesigns but functionally was anyone even doing anything
 
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bunce66 said:
"Not ready for prime time"??? Seriously, tens of millions of people are using them and love them. I can't think of a better time, even though they make mistakes.
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I love them too, but I can still see their flaws. Lots and lots of them. But there is no sane reason to use them on critical systems. Sama prove this wrong. Yeah, they are great, but I honestly believe they are just a stepping stone, as they are in no way ready for prime time. They are a precursor to better things to come. At least I hope so.
 
With their ACDC training chips not scaling till late 2026, Actual LLM Siri not coming till late iOS20 makes more and more sense as the rumors said
 
MacRumors said:


Apple is likely to keep discussion of Siri to a minimum at WWDC 2025 as it focuses on other Apple Intelligence enhancements, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman and Drake Bennett.

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Apple will apparently focus on improving existing Apple Intelligence capabilities and adding some new ones, such as an AI-optimized battery management mode and a virtual health coach. Google Gemini is also on track to be added as a ChatGPT alternative for Siri in iOS 19.

Other upgrades to Siri, including the ones announced a year prior that include personal context and the ability to complete complex, multi-step actions, are "unlikely to be discussed much." The features are still "months away" from being released.

Apple is also reportedly planning to "separate the Apple Intelligence brand from Siri in its marketing," owing to concerns that users' negative experience with Siri is harming opinions about Apple Intelligence as a whole.

To help improve existing Apple Intelligence features, users' iPhones now apparently help improve Apple's synthetic data, the report explains. A set of artificial data is assessed and enhanced by comparing it to the language from users' iPhones to provide real-world reference points for AI training, without feeding in actual user information.

Similarly, in Texas, Spain, and Ireland, thousands of analysts are purportedly reviewing Apple Intelligence summaries for accuracy by comparing its output against the source material. The company wants to determine how often the system is producing the distorted or inaccurate responses.

Apple's WWDC 2025 keynote is scheduled for Monday, June 9, where the company will preview iOS 19, macOS 16, and other major software updates and features for its devices.

Article Link: Siri Rumored to Take a Backseat at WWDC 2025
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Siri has been in the grave since 2011
 
Well depending on the font, some people think "AI" looks like "AL". So maybe Al can be Siri's new name or Alfred for a more formal butler-like name. Then with Alfred we are back to something reminiscent of "Ask Jeeves" and if that's the case then we might as well go back to "Sherlock" (or "Watson" for that matter)! 🔎 Put that on your WWDC bingo (hyper)cards 😜
 
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neilw said:
Siri is the one thing that everyone wants to hear about, or at least the one thing that everyone wants fixed. Not clear if people would believe anything they say about it at this point, though.

This AI battery management thing is interesting.... in that it sounds like something no one will care about at all. I don't see them magically extending battery life significantly.

There is going to be a Siri-shaped cloud over this WWDC, methinks.
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You know, if Apple would just bring back some of the things that she used to be able to do that would show a little improvement. To absolutely not make any improvements in her at all this year would be a real admittance of defeat. If need be, add a one dollar charge to the iCloud fee and give us a decent Siri if the inability to make money is the only thing keeping real advancements from being made.
 
turbineseaplane said:
If they had some major enhancement to demo live for us, I think all would be onboard and excited.

Instead, I'm sure we're getting the usual cringe "mini motion picture" of hubris and ego, with some virtue signaling mixed in, and a lot of talk about "coming later this year".
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Just so long as it is not about a new Siri voice. A new language, yes, the poor Polish speaking people have long been denied. But a new voice perhaps with received English pronunciation, would make me throw my iPad up against the wall, as I keep threatening to do every time they give us a new voice instead of a real Improvement. At this point, I would rather not have anything than a new voice.
 
Andreas from Zurich said:
I have observed several times that the Siris living inside HomePods understand even less than the ones who call an iPad or a Mac their home. Have others experienced the same?
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Yes, definitely. But then the Siri in my iPad Pro is better than the one in my iPad mini seven so I don’t know what it’s all about.
 
I think it's pretty clear now that taking a bunch of features that already existed in iOS that used Machine Learning and trying to unify them under some kind of weird brand that's a play on words but also is nothing was a mistake.
 
Siri is on dope since his/her 18 Birthday. :cool:

Epilogue... Since The Dawn of the Dinosaurs era!!!
 
Here's hoping that Apple will announce at WWDC the new versions of the Studio Display and the Pro Display XDR, with at least one of them getting ProMotion up to 120 Hz refresh rate, hopefully both, and better contrast and maybe even HDR for the Studio Display.
 
Expecting to hear only about Gemini integration at WWDC. Everything else will be about iOS redesign and other features. Wonder whether there will be any hardware announcement at WWDC.
 
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Apple can't just deliver Apple Inteligence and integrate it into the Sirii.
It has nothing to do with Siri being bad (which also was known last year).
Apple overpromised and can't deliver.
 
A good AI would focus in it's user: me. Watch me. Watch what I do. Figure out how to do stuff for me. Forget about the rest of the internet. That would be nice.
 
For me, the two simple Siri commands I use are "set a timer" for a specified number of minutes or an alarm with a time and "send a message to or text to" usually my wife and that usually works okay. Sad to say that was about the scope of operation when Siri was first released so many years ago. Getting the music we want with Siri on our first generation Home Pods is hit or miss.

Too bad Apple had spent so much time on tiny do-dads that I never use (wonder if any one does use them) and the significant features are ignored and allowed to decay like a carcass in the desert.

My wife and I each upgraded in November 2024 to an iPhone 16 Pro Max 1TB to be current before the tariffs started. The hyped non-working features to sell the iPhone 16 series really tarnished the fan blades of truth.

Fool me once, shame on you Apple. Fool me twice, shame on me. No new iPhone models for us probably for a few years.

I might (emphasis on might) look at the 20th Anniversary model. It will certainly cost more than a base MacBook Pro Max laptop....
 
"...owing to concerns that users' negative experience with ‌Siri‌ is harming opinions about ‌Apple Intelligence‌ as a whole."
I mean, they both suck. Apple, even using ChatGPT, manages to kill half to the value. But yay, it makes cartoons that aren't really what you asked for.
 
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Mike_Trivisonno said:
A good AI would focus in it's user: me. Watch me. Watch what I do. Figure out how to do stuff for me. Forget about the rest of the internet. That would be nice.
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Yeah, you'll never get that from Apple.

Stock ChatGPT on the other hand learns all about you. It's creepy, but I feel like its a close friend now when I use it. It mentions things like my dog, by name, and when I ask it to write something about my business it all by itself adds in details from past chats to sharpen it up.

It's like Yoda needs to go to Cupertino and say, "that's why you fail...."
 
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bunce66 said:
"Not ready for prime time"??? Seriously, tens of millions of people are using them and love them. I can't think of a better time, even though they make mistakes.
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OP isn't wrong through.

They do lie. ChatGPT will tell me it will create a Lottie, animate it, send it to me... and then after 20 attempts and blank files, you can finally get it to confess that system limitations don't allow it to do what it said it was going to do.

I also had it write a blog that if I weren't knowledgeable on the subject, would have gotten my butt fined and sanctioned because it just made crap up. Now if you tell it to research rules and laws on X and then write it, it will do that and tends to give better results.
 
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