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i found this article surprising.

Until last week, I had no experience repairing an iPad. However, I replaced the batteries and digitizer in a 4th gen. Took about a half hour. Granted the adhesives are a small pita, as is inserting the ribbon connectors. But if I can do it, certainly the IT staff at a school can.
 
You know, repairing an unrepairable device just means more work for the Apple repair guy at the mall. There are only two ifixit scores: end-user or geek. And nothing Apple makes is end-user repairable at all. What does repair mean anyway? Installing a new screen? Changing the battery?

Using those criteria how repairable is a TV?
 
Are people really surprised?

Or maybe this was going to be the "repairable" iPad, much thicker, with easily swappable modules connected together with ribbon cables. And costing considerably more.
 
Just look how much they care about the environment with the way they built their stuff

I dunno about this. All computer hardware has an expiration date. How one disposes of things is another matter. You can take a perfectly serviceable laptop and still need to replace batteries. All devices eventually fail or become outdated and need to be replaced. One could make the case that an iPad is no worse for the environment than anything else, depending on how long it lasts and how it is disposed. Thinner and lighter means less materials consumed, right? And considering it’s likely a very small percentage of people that will even attempt their own repairs, I can understand why Apple would instead just design products around the idea that people will just take the product somewhere for service—if they have any desire to fix it at all. I’d actually be curious to see if we’ve reduced electronics waste since the “box box PC” era in the late 1990s-2000s, where there were multiple PCs in the home. I bet so, as recycling the components was much harder, and the cases themselves were laden with metal and plastic and spinning drives.
 
Most people don’t want to fix stuff. Most people don’t want to open the insides of products to upgrade them. They use the product until it doesn’t work any more and then they buy a new one.

Most people don't want to fix stuff by themselves, but I'm sure they would like to pay a cheaper price for repairs from a 3rd party instead of Apple's prices.

Similar to how most people don't fix their cars when problems arise but take it to someone else to repair. They don't just buy a new car right away.
 
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The FIFTH generation iPad was called iPad Air. The SIXTH generation iPad was called iPad Air2. That makes this the SEVENTH generation iPad, not sixth. It helps to keep a list (and it would have been great if Apple would number their products sequentially).
 
2018 and Apple still give this crappy 1,2 MP front camera from iPhone 5... I know it is cheap iPad but mounting 5 MP from iPhone 6S wouldn't make price much higher, if at all. I don't know about other people, but I use front camera for conversation more often than rear camera (FaceTime, Skype).

But I understand that for student rear camera is more important (scanning documents or AR)...
Name me one other thing besides a human face at about 1 ft. distance that the front camera will ever be pointed-at. The front camera doesn't need to have any more resolution than a 1st generation webcam, sorry. And at Apple's quantities, "not much higher" adds up pretty darn fast.
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Did they say zero upgradeability? No PCI slots? No socketed CPU? No ability to upgrade storage? Not even external RAID support. Fail.
I assume there was a missing Sarcasm tag?
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I am wondering, if the screen of those chromebooks broke, would schools be able to actually “repair” them? I mean serious question. I don’t think schools stock spare parts. If they need to send those to the manufactures, then how is it different in practice than the iPads?

And oh, great job comparing a $1500 HP surface clone with a $300 iPad.
They generally throw them in a pile to be sent out for repair during the Summer, or at best, a few times during the year.
 
Name me one other thing besides a human face at about 1 ft. distance that the front camera will ever be pointed-at. The front camera doesn't need to have any more resolution than a 1st generation webcam, sorry. And at Apple's quantities, "not much higher" adds up pretty darn fast.
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I assume there was a missing Sarcasm tag?

That does not explain why Apple put 7MP camera on iPad Pro line and 12MP camera on the back of iPad Pro.
 
This will inevitably lead to yet more eWaste especially being in the educational sector where they will be subjected to high usage.

The dumping of eWaste in developing countries is a very real issue one that many feel uncomfortable speaking about
http://uk.businessinsider.com/photo...s-when-those-shiny-new-toys-go-out-of-style-1
I read that whole article and it was pretty much constant blaming of the tech manufacturers. Funny really isn't it that all but one of the pictures with piles of illegally dumped eWaste was in China and even though the government could put measures in place to reduce or even eradicate the problem they haven't done anything about it for years. I wonder why that wasn't mentioned in the article?
 
Apple should be aiming for longevity in their products, which includes repairability, or they should stop charging high prices for something that's going to depreciate so quickly. :mad:
 
That does not explain why Apple put 7MP camera on iPad Pro line and 12MP camera on the back of iPad Pro.
I didn't say anything about the Rear cameras. They have to be as high-resolution as the price-point will allow.

I was SPECIFICALLY talking about the front-facing camera. Anything more than 3 MP is really just a waste. But Apple has to keep up with the Joneses, spec-wise, at least on their main-line products.

BUT, this is a cost-sensitive model, and Apple chose to save some pennies by spec-ing a 1 MP camera module for the FRONT camera, that they could get for almost nothing.

Would you rather that they reduced the resolution of the Display or the speed of the SoC?
 
It depends on the school district and how the contracts are setup. The school district I work in we use Lenovo windows laptops. With the purchase it includes 3 years warranty and the district has a contract for accidental damages for 5 years. So it doesn't cost the school for repairs of the laptops. Unless people want to be technical and say we'll the district pays for it and that money could have been spent elsewhere.

The laptops we purchase are $209 for non touch and $230 for touch screen.
Okay, but not really answering my question.
If those Lenovo laptops' screens broke, do you have the LCD parts in stock to repair them on site, or do you have to send them to Lenovo for repair? If it's the latter, then it doesn't matter how "fixable" a device is in practice, as schools would just send the iPads to Apple for repair. The argument that iFixIt made is moot in practice.
 
Charging port?

Battery last 5 years? You realize these iPads will be used for 5-6 hours per day throughout the school year? This seems like alot more tine than what a regular consumer would spend on an iPad daily. Hence, increasing battery wear. 6 hours per day is roughly 1 charging cycle, 180 school days in the year and using Apples 500 cycles that batteries should last for would result in a battery replacement in under 3 years. Battery replacement is 1/3 the cost of the edu iPad.
I have used my iPad 2 DAILY for nearly 8 hours per day, every single day. I charge it nearly from "flat" to full-charge every day, or at most, every-other-day, 7 days a week, 365 days per year, since I got it as a Christmas gift from my employer in 2012.

A recent check of the battery's health shows it at 88%, and I really haven't detected much, if any, diminished battery-life.
 
Yes spare parts are stocked and available / things can be fixed. Some companies like ASUS specifically make modular units for this reason such as: https://www.asus.com/us/Laptops/ASUS-Chromebook-C202SA/

I've fixed plenty of smashed screened iPads which is a hassle as well with third party components... Honestly we use a lot of Apple products such as Airs, iMacs and Macbooks. Those are more expensive though honestly last longer and have a lot more use in a secondary setting. In all honesty I have 2008 Macbooks still in service repaired & upgraded while our 2012 iPad 2s are essentially trash for all but basic tasks due to 32-bit architecture etc. It's annoying that Apple is pushing iPads with third party keyboard cases instead of a redesigned durable Macbook for the education environment... though that's their priority as a company I suppose, but this "event" / release was a shoulder shrug and won't bolster interest from schools that wasn't already there. It would've been great to see a more modular redesign at least, though clearly they didn't want to go that route.
Again, not really answering the question I had.

Do schools stock those parts? iFixIt's argument is that iPads are not user-repairable, thus it is not school friendly. This only matters if the schools will be the ones doing the repairs themselves. Are they fixing the Chromebooks themselves if the screens broke? If not, ie. if they have to send it to the manufacturers for repair, then it doesn't matter if iPads are not user-repairable. The schools just need to send them to Apple and let Apple deal with it. In practice, whether schools have user-repairable Chromebooks or non-user repairable iPads, they would be sending either to their respective manufacturers for repair anyway.
 
Okay, but not really answering my question.
If those Lenovo laptops' screens broke, do you have the LCD parts in stock to repair them on site, or do you have to send them to Lenovo for repair? If it's the latter, then it doesn't matter how "fixable" a device is in practice, as schools would just send the iPads to Apple for repair. The argument that iFixIt made is moot in practice.
If it's non accidental damage, such as a screen goes bad or keyboard not working etc in the 3 year warranty, then a vendor comes onsite within 48 hours of reporting the issue and fixes it onsite.

If it's accidental damage a different vendor comes and picks it up and repairs it off-site then return it to the school.

After the warranty of 5 years is up then the technicians on site at the schools (every school in my district has 1) is free to piece together broken ones to make working laptops.

I guess ease of repair reduces repair cost. The iPads already cost more to purchase, will be more to repair and possibly take longer and the warranty is shorter. After the warranty is up the technicians on site at each school may not be able to do repairs themselves.
 
They should stop claiming to be an environmentally conscious company if this is how they’re going to keep making their products. 18 states have introduced “right to repair” bills and I think it would only take the passage of such a law in a few states to force Apple’s policies to change. Fingers crossed.
 
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Not trying to stay in business iFixit promote user repairability. I have repaired and upgraded countless Mac products with some guidance sourced from excellent iFixit tutorials. Yes users could at one time easily repair and service their own Macs but that was before Tim Cook and when Apple became driven by money and greed.

Remember if the user can repair it then the opportunity is there to help reduce illegally dumped eWaste.
Err, Steve Jobs introduced the aluminum unibody Macboks and Macbook Air (less repairable than previous Macbooks).
Also, Steve Jobs introduced the less user-repairable iMacs as well.
But yeah, keep hating on Tim Cook, the person that Jobs groomed himself.
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If it's non accidental damage, such as a screen goes bad or keyboard not working etc in the 3 year warranty, then a vendor comes onsite within 48 hours of reporting the issue and fixes it onsite.

If it's accidental damage a different vendor comes and picks it up and repairs it off-site then return it to the school.

After the warranty of 5 years is up then the technicians on site at the schools (every school in my district has 1) is free to piece together broken ones to make working laptops.

I guess ease of repair reduces repair cost. The iPads already cost more to purchase, will be more to repair and possibly take longer and the warranty is shorter. After the warranty is up the technicians on site at each school may not be able to do repairs themselves.
How do you know the contracts with schools don't have Apple or their service contractors come on-site?

The point is, the ones who have to deal with repairability are Apple, not the schools. So iFixIt's argument for user-repairability is moot in reality.
 
It depends on the school district and how the contracts are setup. The school district I work in we use Lenovo windows laptops. With the purchase it includes 3 years warranty and the district has a contract for accidental damages for 5 years. So it doesn't cost the school for repairs of the laptops. Unless people want to be technical and say we'll the district pays for it and that money could have been spent elsewhere.

The laptops we purchase are $209 for non touch and $230 for touch screen.

...and when you get to the quantities that allowed you to buy Lenovo laptops for that much, the iPad 6 won't be $299 per unit, either (probably about as much as your non-touch Lenovo example, if I had to guess). But since those are negotiated on a case-by-case basis, I can't show you any examples.
 
Err, Steve Jobs introduced the aluminum unibody Macboks and Macbook Air (less repairable than previous Macbooks).
Also, Steve Jobs introduced the less user-repairable iMacs as well.
But yeah, keep hating on Tim Cook, the person that Jobs groomed himself.
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How do you know the contracts with schools don't have Apple or their service contractors come on-site?
Well I can only speak for my district. We dont have any vendors on contract that comes on site to fix any Apple products. (we have MacBook Air, pros, iPads and iMac).

We have a vendor that repairs them off-site but the support is limited. Which means, they don't purchase parts for Apple devices, whenever a school surplus old Apple devices and we call in a device for repair then the vendor salvage parts from the surplus devices if available.
 
They should stop claiming to be an environmentally conscious company if this is how they’re going to keep making their products. 18 states have introduced “right to repair” bills and I think it would only take the passage of such a law in a few states to force Apple’s policies to change. Fingers crossed.
Right to repair is not at odds with environmentally friendly manufacturing or a companies recycling policies.
 
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While I have no bone with the claims, what iPad has ever been "repairable"? I can't think of anything out of Apple's stables in the past decade that has been highly repairable. On the other end, how many Chromebooks are repairable, even if they are, why not just replace them since shop time and costs to repair a Chromebook may get close to a new one.
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...and when you get to the quantities that allowed you to buy Lenovo laptops for that much, the iPad 6 won't be $299 per unit, either (probably about as much as your non-touch Lenovo example, if I had to guess). But since those are negotiated on a case-by-case basis, I can't show you any examples.
Then add in the cost of Apple care, a keyboard, pencil and a case. The $209 already includes the 3 year warranty and Microsoft office.

Snall correction, touchscreen Lenovo laptop is actually 239.
 
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