Skull Canyon NUC Sale

Discussion in 'Mac mini' started by Crosscreek, Nov 21, 2016.

  1. Crosscreek macrumors 68030

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    Good Deal and everything you need except OS...windows or linux.
     
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    The SSD is regular Sata III, not the faster NVME.
     
  5. Midgetinabikini macrumors regular

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    I'm too starting to look at PCs again, I'll never have the money to get an iMac. But I have to think really hard on it, I work mainly on Logic Pro, I'll have to switch to Cubase (which was really bad last time I used it) or Adobe Audition.
    Not to mention all my habits after so many years with OS X.
     
  6. Crosscreek thread starter macrumors 68030

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    NVME are nice but overpriced and then you need to ask yourself if you really need that speed for the price?
    They also run hot and generate heat.
    I have two of these SSDs in my rig and Windows 10 still boots instantly and the one for hack macOS boots in 15 seconds.
    I also have two slots for NVME but the cost for them are too much for the amount of performance in my case.
     
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    Or apparently a hackintosh is fairly easy as well although since it is fairly new the support for the chipset stuff is a little doggy until it all gets figured out.
     
  8. Crosscreek thread starter macrumors 68030

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    I know they were working on the hack at Tonymac but don't know if it has been successful yet.
     
  9. MacUser2525 macrumors 68000

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    RehabMan has NUC idea going not tonymac that guy usually just schemes others ideas then takes credit. Since Apple has just included the 580 and lesser video in their machines the progress on them working better should be coming. Was almost thinking of one myself but I can build better for cheaper most likely and have some expand-ability. That is the reason I gave up on the Apple hardware after the trash can release, still have the 2012 mini my brother uses other than that all hack for me from now on...

    https://github.com/RehabMan/Intel-NUC-DSDT-Patch
     
  10. Crosscreek thread starter macrumors 68030

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    Your right, you can build much better for the price and RehabMan is the Man!
     
  11. twalk macrumors member

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    From looking last night, it looks like there's still graphics issues. That shouldn't be a surprise with the iris pro 580 graphics, when the standard intel 530 graphics still has issues. The 4th gen NUCs (haswell, HD4000) are still the best bet for hackitoshing a NUC
     
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    Most definitely I have a VAIO S laptop runs great due to his/her, who knows with a nic, .kext there is a lot of smart people doing work for that to happen. Which is one thing I do not understand with Apple they could own the computer OS market if they would just put a little effort into making it run on hardware other than theirs. Mostly all the drivers are there from BSD and Linux sources hell I could even flash my BIOS with the Ozmosis and it will think I have real mac but last time I did that it did not support RAID0 boot which left out my setup.
     
  14. Crosscreek thread starter macrumors 68030

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    There are problems with hacking on some systems. I built mine around a golden build and have no problems but I have a Apple Broadcom wifi/bluetooth card and that's where systems like the NUC have problems. You can use USB adapters but that's halfassing it.
    and yeah Apple is just plane lazy.
     
  15. MacUser2525 macrumors 68000

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    I just switched out the Intel for Broadcom like you have. I could understand it when Jobs came back and they were on their knees and needed the cash but today they do not need it and it looks like computers are the last thing on their mind most times. They have become a fancy high priced gadget company now if it were not for computers holding it all together at the base I do no think they would bother with them anymore.
     
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    Yeah....lol....iPads :D

    I have a Nvidia 1070 in mine and I spend most of my time in Windows 10. I tried one of the crapy AMD cards and it ran so hot I was afraid it would burn my build up. I don't no why that is the only GPU Apple uses and the new MacBook Pro only has a economy card available that's very weak.

    It's a joke.

    I just use the 530 when I go to the hack disk
     
  17. MacUser2525 macrumors 68000

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    Have not used windows in going on twenty years now you can pay me to work on them you could not pay me to use it. I like the rock solid performance of a *nix system unlike that steaming pile of dung MS puts out most times. From what I have seen 7 was fairly solid the only things I usually encounter with them was/is viruses people were getting the rest junk IMHO never touched 10 so no clue there. That is if you can call an OS that allows that to happen solid. Yes Apple does have tendency to stick cheap under powered video in their machines for some reason, you would think for the price charged they could do better. Ah now I think again 95 after SP3 was pretty solid as well.
     
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    I was a Mechanical Design Engineer for 30 years and Windows was all there was for CAD/CAM and used it up till the time I retired. I bought a 2012 Mini in early 2013 and used it up until this summer when I got tired of waiting for a decent quad core update and built the hack.
    When Win 8 came out I washed my hands of Windows and swore I would never go back. After Apple failed the Mini update in 2014 I started experimenting with Win 10 insider build in a VM and gained enough confidence in it to buy a copy a year ago. My plan was to add it to the hack I was planing to build for a dual boot system which turned into a triple boot system with Linux added also. I was hoping for one graphics card I could use for all three but after trying the AMD card which did work with all three but was miserably supported with Apple built drivers.
    Widows 10 has turned out to be a solid OS and I stay in it the most because there are no drivers for the Nvidia card for mac OS but may come after the first of the year at which case I will spend non gaming time in macOS.
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    Sleep/wake has always been a problem. As fast as mine boots I just shut it off at night.
     
  20. MRrainer macrumors 6502a

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    The problem is that there's not enough money in desktops. And even less in cheap desktops.
    Before Apple went Intel, vendors could actually turn some sort of profit out of most of their desktop-products.
    Then came the Intel-iMacs and Apple literally sucked out all the profit on the high-end before destroying the low-end with the iPad.
    You should never forget: other vendors (Dell, HP, Lenovo) have volume - Apple has profit.

    In theory, Apple could of course still license the OS for the big OEMs above - but then, who would be responsible for problems?
    It's one thing having a Hackintosh that works 95% - it's a completely different thing having a vendor claim (and yourself paying for) the ability to run macOS with 100% certainty.
    As has been remarked in that article about the issue with 32GB RAM in MBPs, even if only 0.05% of users have a problem with an Apple product, it becomes some sort of "...-gate".
    And it would be no different here.

    It would be cool, no question.
    But I don't see it happening any time soon - there's just too much profit in iMacs to give up for Apple.
    This is really a classic case were Apple is clearly fearing cannibalization among their products.
     
  21. twalk macrumors member

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    I don't see licensing happening either. I really think that Apple will let MacOS die rather than license it.

    That said, the cannibalization issue with licensing is actually an easy one to solve: restrictive and limited company licensing with withheld veto power and well defined market segmentation.

    For an example: Apple can't make a $500 laptop right now. It wouldn't hit their profit margin expectations and would hurt sales of higher end products. However if a company like ASUS were to take a $300 pentium level laptop, get MacOS on it, have it made of plastic and lower quality parts, and handled everything about it (design/manu/distribution/warranty/etc), something interesting happens. Apple customers won't want it (it's not .really. Apple, plastic, inferior parts, slow processor). Little to no cannibalization of Macbooks. Windows customers for low end laptops now have a choice, a Windows laptop for $300-$350 or a Mac laptop for $500. Some will "upgrade" to the Mac laptop. ASUS gets a bit more profit then they do with Windows laptops and Apple takes the bulk of the over-and-above profits as basically found money they wouldn't have had otherwise. That all said, it has to be really restrictive and controlled by Apple to make it work
     
  22. MRrainer macrumors 6502a

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    Apple wants those "I can only spend 500 USD"-customers to just buy an iPad.
    Or trade in some old hardware and finance the rest of a 1200 USD MacBook.
    There's a big margin on even a 500 USD iPad. Even more so because they don't have to pay Intel for CPU+GPU.

    And the crappy 500 USD laptops would just dilute and in the end even tarnish their brand.
     
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    This! This is Apple's problem -- the amazing profit in creating a (temporary) monopoly by introducing a product that creates (or revolutionizes) an entire market. The iPod started the process, by taking mp3 players and making them mainstream products for ordinary consumers. The iPhone continued this, by recreating the concept of a smartphone in such an appealing manner that it single-handedly upended the entire market.

    When you can do this, you can make a lot of money. When you can do this multiple times, you can make a mountain of money. The problem, of course, is that you can't depend on being able to do this consistently.

    Apple has designed their entire business model around always finding the next breakthrough product. It isn't a question of adding new devices to their existing product lines; they now actually depend on finding a new iPod or iPhone every few years. If they tried to survive on Mac sales alone, the company as currently structured would collapse.

    This is Apple's true failure: they have become addicted to enormously profitable products. Profits that, by their nature, only exist for a short period of time. The iPod is basically gone now; the aTV and the watch seem to have already plateaued; and the iPhone may be reaching a peak as well. But the Mac, a device that has been a more-or-less reliable seller for three decades now, is useless for today's Apple, because the profits it generates cannot sustain their current business model.

    Desktop computers have been a facet of daily life for decades now. The truth is, they will continue to be a facet for decades more; it's just easier to get work done by sitting down at a desk and concentrating, than by flitting around with the latest gadget in your hand. Apple may have lost sight of this truth, but other companies will continue to produce PCs, and people will continue to buy them. There is still money to be made here.
     
  24. twalk, Nov 22, 2016
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    You are right that Apple would rather have those people buy a $500 iPad than a licensed out Mac compatible machine. The world doesn't really work like Apple execs want, but that doesn't stop them from going their direction

    As for $500 licensed laptops diluting and tarnishing the Apple brand, do cheap Windows laptops really tarnish the Microsoft brand? People can make snide comments about MS here, but the reality is that it doesn't. It really only effects the company that makes the laptop. Along with that, you can actually get a really nice laptop anymore for $500...

    The reality is that most people just can't afford a $1200 laptop. With the US splitting into the rich vs everyone else, Apple very much is only becoming a company for rich people
     
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    Pretty sure mine sleeps wakes alright or at least did until I turned it off my machine is on 24/7 it uses under 20w at idle, right now 15 according to HW monitor, so I do not care really. I gave up on the microsoft in 1999 I think it was when the 98se came out and it stopped my at the time top of the line SB AWE64 gold from playing anything but a midi file through it. I had been hearing a lot about Linux at the time and while I was in the store to get new sound card I seen Redhat 5.2 for sale and thought what the hell I'll go for that $15 or so and give it a try, took it home installed and ran sndconfig putting it the required DMA, IRQ .. and it fired up and that was the end of them for me.

    Got onto the Apple in 06/07 from Linux with the lamp shade G4 but it was too slow so went for dual MDD G4 the vacuum cleaner as it was called did not like that noise at all. Luckily I had built Intel core machine around that time then Leopard came out and the boys figured out the hack so there that was on my machine. Bought MP31 in 2010 then 5,1 the end of 2011 and held on until the trash can and said that is it back to hack for me. Still have 2012 mini my brother uses but I am done with the over priced waiting for God knows how long for Apple to put something out if your lucky routine.

    I'm convinced there is money to be made it is not like last time when Apple was young and not enough cash to tide them through the bad decisions that were made around the time the clones were allowed. They have cash up the wazoo a license out now would could only make them cash. People are tired of all the junk that comes with a MS system and would love to have something solid to run since EFI is in everything now it is simple to do as well.
     

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