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Would it be nice to see slide to unlock return?

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    Votes: 11 57.9%

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Falhófnir

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Lacking a home button it would make sense that this feature lost with iOS 10 might return with the new iPhone - one very little thing I'd be quite pleased to see as STU was probably one of the iconic iOS 'things' through the years :)

While we're at it I guess I'll also ask what other gestures people think might be brought in to unlock (just raise it up to your face?) if it's not STU.
 
According to Mark Gurman there will be slide to unlock. You slide the Home Bar upward on the lock screen to unlock the phone. This gesture also makes sense when you consider the fact that the lock screen is now the Notification Center which swipes down from the top of the display, and so swiping it upward to initially open the phone makes sense.

As for other ways to open to the home screen, I doubt there will be any. Of course you will be able to raise to wake, and it will instantly unlock with facial recognition, but it will remain on the lock screen until you swipe upward. Given the fact that a user can choose to Touch ID to jump right into the home screen currently, it would be nice if Apple allowed a user to simply tap the display (users who turn off raise to wake), and it would scan the face and instantly jump to the home screen without a user having to swipe to open. There's no reason not to allow this as the lock screen is now the Notification Center, so missing something is of no consequence since it can be swiped down anytime.


As for other gestures, since the Home Bar is swipe up to multitasking and jumping back to the home screen, then I thought that swiping right on the home bar could slide the control center into view, and swiping left could open Siri. The only problem this presents is the inconsistency in design due to being on the lock screen and getting widgets and camera on most of the display, but on the home Bar getting control center and Siri. I'm curious how they will have users invoke control center especially, since swiping up is different now.
 
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That seems like a step backwards... :/
Who would ever like reverse progress? Were in the year 2017 here?
 
That seems like a step backwards... :/
Who would ever like reverse progress? Were in the year 2017 here?
Don't see how it's a step backwards, can't use the home button so reverting to the gesture based alternative that worked well for 9 versions... press to unlock was only more efficient using Touch ID, which will be absent on the new phone
 
That seems like a step backwards... :/
Who would ever like reverse progress? Were in the year 2017 here?

If simply being pointed at your face unlocks the phone, there needs to be some deliberate action that bypasses the lockscreen.
 
If simply being pointed at your face unlocks the phone, there needs to be some deliberate action that bypasses the lockscreen.
Not at all. There needs to be the option to need deliberate action. Currently I have Touch ID to unlock set, because I like jumping directly to the home screen as quickly as possible, and now that the lock screen is retrieved by simply swiping down, there's no reason not to allow 'face ID to unlock' wherein after awakening the display, no action is required, and it simply takes you to the home screen, just as Touch ID takes you there near-instantly.
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It will be a swipe up, even though I wish it was a swipe right
Swipe right would not make sense, since the lock screen is now the Notification Center and gets swiped down and upward.
 
That seems like a step backwards... :/
Who would ever like reverse progress? Were in the year 2017 here?

That works alongside new tech (Face ID). You make it sound like Apple are just getting rid of Touch ID in favour of going back to a slide to unlock wth PIN code.
 
Not at all. There needs to be the option to need deliberate action. Currently I have Touch ID to unlock set, because I like jumping directly to the home screen as quickly as possible, and now that the lock screen is retrieved by simply swiping down, there's no reason not to allow 'face ID to unlock' wherein after awakening the display, no action is required, and it simply takes you to the home screen, just as Touch ID takes you there near-instantly.
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The difference is that you have to deliberately touch the home button to activate TouchID. It may not be true for you, but many people in many situations may only want to see their lockscreen without going into their home screen. Right now, one can simply use lift to wake, or wake up the phone with the power button to avoid activating TouchID. But if FaceID instantly takes you to the homescreen, it becomes literally impossible to view your own lockscreen.
 
If simply being pointed at your face unlocks the phone, there needs to be some deliberate action that bypasses the lockscreen.

There are a ton of Android phones with face recognition since a few years ago that bypass the lockscreen as soon as the phone sees your face. I don't see any need for deliberate action since Android phones already have it today.

Slide to Unlock with PIN Code is a step backwards since we've enjoyed Touch ID for years!
The only real improvement they should be making is having an in-display fingerprint sensor where there is either a specific region of the display, or if you can touch any part of the display to "scan" for your fingerprint to unlock, that way you don't even have to find a home button.

Unfortunately for us, if they had to step backwards to slide to unlock, this had to be because of technical implementation issues with the in-display fingerprint sensor (and probably not wanting to copy Android phone designs with the fingerprint sensor on the back). Though how would Touch ID work? With your face? Is your face going to be included/involved in every transaction? Seems to open a host of random unnecessary problems..
 
There are a ton of Android phones with face recognition since a few years ago that bypass the lockscreen as soon as the phone sees your face. I don't see any need for deliberate action since Android phones already have it today.

That's my point, what if you don't want to bypass the lockscreen? Even now I believe the default setting is that TouchID unlocks your phone, but pressing the home button is required to go to the homescreen. And no one said anything about needing a PIN when you slide. That would obviously be redundant and defeat the whole purpose!
 
There are a ton of Android phones with face recognition since a few years ago that bypass the lockscreen as soon as the phone sees your face. I don't see any need for deliberate action since Android phones already have it today.

Slide to Unlock with PIN Code is a step backwards since we've enjoyed Touch ID for years!

What if people want a quick look at their phone (for the time, notifications etc) without having their face unlock the phone?

And why are do you keep talking of slide to unlock with pin code? As if Apple are going to go back to simply using that and nothing else. Sounds like you're looking for reasons to big up android.
 
The difference is that you have to deliberately touch the home button to activate TouchID. It may not be true for you, but many people in many situations may only want to see their lockscreen without going into their home screen. Right now, one can simply use lift to wake, or wake up the phone with the power button to avoid activating TouchID. But if FaceID instantly takes you to the homescreen, it becomes literally impossible to view your own lockscreen.
Maybe you missed the part where I stated that it would be optional as it is now. Right now the default is set to Raise to wake AND press home to unlock. Both situations require a press of the home button to get to the lock screen AFTER the device screen is turned on. You can set it to Touch ID to unlock wherein turning on the display with the press of the home button instantly scans your finger and essentially jumps past the lock screen due to its speed. This option should be replicated for the iPhone X in that you'd tap to wake the display and it would instantly scan and take you to the home screen with no need to swipe every time you turn the device on. However, it would of course default to slide to unlock...

There is one caveat and that is that turning on the display using the lock button should require a slide to unlock DESPITE setting it to Face ID to unlock. This enables people who want to jump past the lock screen normally. To not have to always, by not tapping to wake.


This is what engineers at Apple should be smart enough to think about, but they aren't.
 
That's my point, what if you don't want to bypass the lockscreen? Even now I believe the default setting is that TouchID unlocks your phone, but pressing the home button is required to go to the homescreen. And no one said anything about needing a PIN when you slide. That would obviously be redundant and defeat the whole purpose!

So with the Nexus, you deliberately hit a button to turn on your display (which by default shows the lockscreen). After a few seconds, face detection gets you into the homescreen. The deliberate act of turning on your display I think is enough. If you were just checking the time, you could quickly glance and turn off the display and the face recognition wouldn't proceed past the homescreen, or you could just not aim the phone at your face. :)
 
Maybe you missed the part where I stated that it would be optional as it is now. Right now the default is set to Raise to wake AND press home to unlock. Both situations require a press of the home button to get to the lock screen AFTER the device screen is turned on. You can set it to Touch ID to unlock wherein turning on the display with the press of the home button instantly scans your finger and essentially jumps past the lock screen due to its speed. This option should be replicated for the iPhone X in that you'd tap to wake the display and it would instantly scan and take you to the home screen with no need to swipe every time you turn the device on. However, it would of course default to slide to unlock...

There is one caveat and that is that turning on the display using the lock button should require a slide to unlock DESPITE setting it to Face ID to unlock. This enables people who want to jump past the lock screen normally. To not have to always, by not tapping to wake.


This is what engineers at Apple should be smart enough to think about, but they aren't.

I agree that it will be optional, just as it is now.
 
So with the Nexus, you deliberately hit a button to turn on your display (which by default shows the lockscreen). After a few seconds, face detection gets you into the homescreen. The deliberate act of turning on your display I think is enough. If you were just checking the time, you could quickly glance and turn off the display and the face recognition wouldn't proceed past the homescreen, or you could just not aim the phone at your face. :)

The problem is that Apple's FaceID supposedly works in a fraction of a second. If it's as fast as reports say, it will be physically impossible to look at your phone without activating it. Maybe there will be a delay option in the settings. Who knows?
 
The problem is that Apple's FaceID supposedly works in a fraction of a second. If it's as fast as reports say, it will be physically impossible to look at your phone without activating it. Maybe there will be a delay option in the settings. Who knows?

I think this is another case of Apple shooting themselves in the foot if they were to take a step backwards and do the slide to unlock. Face unlock makes no sense at this point.

Going back to my original point, embedded fingerprint sensor in the display makes the most sense.

Who knows, maybe all the "face detection" leaks are being misinterpreted as a way to unlock your phone. Instead, it makes much more sense for the face detection to be for the AR Kit or facetracking for apps and perspective similar to the Amazon Fire Phone back when Amazon made it seem like a thing.

 
The problem is that Apple's FaceID supposedly works in a fraction of a second. If it's as fast as reports say, it will be physically impossible to look at your phone without activating it. Maybe there will be a delay option in the settings. Who knows?
I solved that in my comment above.
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I think this is another case of Apple shooting themselves in the foot if they were to take a step backwards and do the slide to unlock. Face unlock makes no sense at this point.

Going back to my original point, embedded fingerprint sensor in the display makes the most sense.

Who knows, maybe all the "face detection" leaks are being misinterpreted as a way to unlock your phone. Instead, it makes much more sense for the face detection to be for the AR Kit or facetracking for apps and perspective similar to the Amazon Fire Phone back when Amazon made it seem like a thing.

What are you even talking about? Slide to unlock makes perfect sense, however, you could make the argument that press to unlock on the lock screen Home Bar could take you to the Home screen, BUT that would result in inconsistency in design due to presses no longer being the Home Button methodology across the OS, but rather, swipes are.
 
I solved that in my comment above.

The bottom line is that there will almost certainly be options regarding how unlocking and reaching the homescreen works. Slide or swipe to unlock will likely be one such option, and there are practical reasons for it. It is not a step backwards.
 
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I solved that in my comment above.
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What are you even talking about? Slide to unlock makes perfect sense, however, you could make the argument that press to unlock on the lock screen Home Bar could take you to the Home screen, BUT that would result in inconsistency in design due to presses no longer being the Home Button methodology across the OS, but rather, swipes are.

Slide to unlock makes perfect sense if Apple had not introduced Touch ID and showed the world how you can get past the homescreen without having to swipe. From a design perspective, swipe/slide to unlock works, though being spoiled from quick unlocks using the Touch ID of the home button, it will most certainly feel like added hassle no matter how minor it is.

It's like living with a Google Maps App for years, and then later having to switch back to using a paper map. It works, nothing wrong with that. Though it does come at some level of inconvenience/hassle no matter how small.

If I had to deal with the added inconvenience of another action on top of pressing a button to turn on the phone display and looking at the screen... I would opt for a press to unlock rather than a swipe. Who knows, maybe Apple will offer all these combinations as configuration options.
 
Slide to unlock makes perfect sense if Apple had not introduced Touch ID and showed the world how you can get past the homescreen without having to swipe. From a design perspective, swipe/slide to unlock works, though being spoiled from quick unlocks using the Touch ID of the home button, it will most certainly feel like added hassle no matter how minor it is.

It's like living with a Google Maps App for years, and then later having to switch back to using a paper map. It works, nothing wrong with that. Though it does come at some level of inconvenience/hassle no matter how small.
You must have yours set to 'Touch ID to unlock' as I do. By default a user must press the home button to turn the device on and then press the home button again to get to the home screen.

My solution I posted above solves it concerning face ID. I can virtually guarantee that Apple engineers weren't smart enough to do what I suggested though.
 
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