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IPadNParadise

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I bought a refurbished 2015 15” MBP in Dec 2015, fully maxed at the time. It has 1t storage and at this time has a little over 900gb free. It runs so slow. I have a little less than 4gb in Photos and have eliminated anything else I don’t need. Nothing in Downloads. I have none of the Apps that offer maintenance to “clean your Mac”. Are any of them worth having? Are there any steps you can offer me to help my MBP run a little faster.
I miss the 2012 MBP I used to have. It was the most basic model Apple sold at the time. Never got slower than when new, never saw the spinning beach ball on it.
 

organicCPU

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Writing from one like yours and don't think it's slower than my MBP 2012. Speed in that sense might always be a relative subjective impression, but I don't see the beach ball very often. What macOS do you run? Some things you could try...

- Clean caches and temporary files -> to do this just reboot in Safe Mode (hold Shift while booting), then restart like usual

If that doesn't help...

- Check disk drive speed:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/blackmagic-disk-speed-test/id425264550

- Scan for incompatible third-party extensions:
http://etrecheck.com

- Before using the following cleaning utility in depth as a novice, it's better to make a full bootable backup or at least use it with reasonable caution and RTFM:
https://www.titanium-software.fr/en/onyx.html
 

Fishrrman

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OP:
Download BlackMagic Speed Test (tests speed of your drive) and post the results here.

Also, when running slow, open Activity Monitor and check CPU usage.
Are one or two processes "gobbling up"* all your CPU's power?

* hey, it's Thanksgiving here!
 

TonyK

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1TB HD or 1TB SSD. SSD will make a big difference. My 2015 has the 1TB SSD and it is pretty fast. Faster than my old 2008 MP.

How much ram does it have as well and which OS are you running?
 

IPadNParadise

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Writing from one like yours and don't think it's slower than my MBP 2012. Speed in that sense might always be a relative subjective impression, but I don't see the beach ball very often. What macOS do you run? Some things you could try...

- Clean caches and temporary files -> to do this just reboot in Safe Mode (hold Shift while booting), then restart like usual

If that doesn't help...

- Check disk drive speed:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/blackmagic-disk-speed-test/id425264550

- Scan for incompatible third-party extensions:
http://etrecheck.com

- Before using the following cleaning utility in depth as a novice, it's better to make a full bootable backup or at least use it with reasonable caution and RTFM:
https://www.titanium-software.fr/en/onyx.html
Thank you. Current M
1TB HD or 1TB SSD. SSD will make a big difference. My 2015 has the 1TB SSD and it is pretty fast. Faster than my old 2008 MP.

How much ram does it have as well and which OS are you running?
How do I tell if it’s HD or SSD? Sorry for such a basic question. I do see in About>Storage that it says 1T Flash. It has 16gb RAM and is running HS 10.3.1.
 

Miltz

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I bought a refurbished 2015 15” MBP in Dec 2015, fully maxed at the time. It has 1t storage and at this time has a little over 900gb free. It runs so slow. I have a little less than 4gb in Photos and have eliminated anything else I don’t need. Nothing in Downloads. I have none of the Apps that offer maintenance to “clean your Mac”. Are any of them worth having? Are there any steps you can offer me to help my MBP run a little faster.
I miss the 2012 MBP I used to have. It was the most basic model Apple sold at the time. Never got slower than when new, never saw the spinning beach ball on it.

If you have a fully loaded 2015 model it should be far from slow... what are you doing that it feels slow? You could try to do a clean install, that might remedy some of your issues
 

Fishrrman

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The first thing the OP should do is open Activity Monitor and check to see if any apps are "eating up" the CPU power, and if disk access is excessive...
 
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IPadNParadise

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If you have a fully loaded 2015 model it should be far from slow... what are you doing that it feels slow? You could try to do a clean install, that might remedy some of your issues
Mostly Safari. And my Mail App, with my ISP Mail Account, sometimes does not download new mail. I turn my MBP off overnight. Some days turning MBP on and opening Mail works as it should, i.e. bringing in new mail, other times does nothing, evening when clicking on ‘Get New Mail’ in top Menu bar.
 

TonyK

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My 2015 MBP 15" Retina uses the Apple mail app which has at least 7 different email accounts. I've never experiences any issues retrieving mail unless the provider is having issues.

Also I run Lightroom 6 (not CC) on here, On1 RAW 2018 and other photographic software.

Then include MAMP (development platform) with Coda2 and Pinegrow 2.5 (need to upgrade to 4 really) and I've never noticed any issues of slowness.

If About This Mac is reporting solid state for your drive then it is a SSD unit. So it sounds like your unit and mine are about the same. My OS is 10.12.6 and am not experiencing issues.

Maybe you can provide more details.
 

Miltz

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Mostly Safari. And my Mail App, with my ISP Mail Account, sometimes does not download new mail. I turn my MBP off overnight. Some days turning MBP on and opening Mail works as it should, i.e. bringing in new mail, other times does nothing, evening when clicking on ‘Get New Mail’ in top Menu bar.

Unless your internet connection is poop, then I would do a clean install. No way your Mac should feel slow
 

ZapNZs

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  • Did the problems start when you upgraded to High Sierra or did it begin earlier?
  • Do you have an external hard drive connected to the system?
  • Have you already ran Apple Diagnostics to check for any obvious hardware failures?
  • Have you already tried Safe Mode, PRAM reset, SMC reset, and Disk Utility First Aid?
  • Once you have booted into Safe Mode, do you still see the same slower behavior?
  • After you are in Safe Mode and turn off the system and do a normal boot, does the problem persist?

After backing up all of your files, one program you can try is called Onyx - using the Automation tab, you can perform a wide range of maintenance tasks with the click of a single button, and this particular App is one of the few in the Mac world that is widely liked. Depending upon the severity of the issue, a clean installation of macOS may be the best course of action IMO.
 

IPadNParadise

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My 2015 MBP 15" Retina uses the Apple mail app which has at least 7 different email accounts. I've never experiences any issues retrieving mail unless the provider is having issues.

Also I run Lightroom 6 (not CC) on here, On1 RAW 2018 and other photographic software.

Then include MAMP (development platform) with Coda2 and Pinegrow 2.5 (need to upgrade to 4 really) and I've never noticed any issues of slowness.

If About This Mac is reporting solid state for your drive then it is a SSD unit. So it sounds like your unit and mine are about the same. My OS is 10.12.6 and am not experiencing issues.

Maybe you can provide more details.
In About This Mac, I see 1T Flash Drive under the Storage tab, but as I look under each tab, I don’t see Solid State anywhere. I do have 2 photo software packages loaded on this Mac, Affinity Photo and Luminar. I don’t experience slow behavior when using them. And yes, to whoever asked, I have booted into Safe Mode, reset PRAM, SMC and performed Disk Utility First Aid, nothing found to fix. I did not use under Safe Mode, just immediately restarted normally. I’m of retirement age, not real techy. I do appreciate all trying to help. I may look up instructions on how to do a clean reinstall of High Sierra. I do have Time Machine performing regular backups, so no worry there.
 

ZapNZs

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If it is a 2015 (or any retina generation, for that matter) then it has a SSD. The 2012 Unibody was the last year the MacBook Pro used HDDs.

If you disconnect your external hard drive and then continue to use the system, do you get the same behavior? (leaving a HDD plugged in continually will sometimes cause a delay when the HDD spins down and then has to spin up - to date, I've never found a definitive answer for why a Time Machine drive will do this as it is not just Spotlite related.)
 

IPadNParadise

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If it is a 2015 (or any retina generation, for that matter) then it has a SSD. The 2012 Unibody was the last year the MacBook Pro used HDDs.

If you disconnect your external hard drive and then continue to use the system, do you get the same behavior? (leaving a HDD plugged in continually will sometimes cause a delay when the HDD spins down and then has to spin up - to date, I've never found a definitive answer for why a Time Machine drive will do this as it is not just Spotlite related.)
Thanks for the info regarding SSD. This past week I have been unmounting my Time Machine drive as I have decided a once a week backup is sufficient for the small amt of use this MBP has. I do not see the MBP get any faster when that ex hd is unplugged.
 

organicCPU

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If your Mac feels primarily slow while using the internet (Mail, Safari), it probably has to do with your internet connection or related setup. There are many factors, ranging from preference files and software configuration on your Mac to hardware issues like cables or router related problems that can be responsible for the slowdown. First we should know, if you are using a wireless Wi-Fi network or a wired Ethernet connection to access the internet? If you are connecting wireless, have you ever tried or can you try using a cable, just to see if there is a major difference with speed?
 

IPadNParadise

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If your Mac feels primarily slow while using the internet (Mail, Safari), it probably has to do with your internet connection or related setup. There are many factors, ranging from preference files and software configuration on your Mac to hardware issues like cables or router related problems that can be responsible for the slowdown. First we should know, if you are using a wireless Wi-Fi network or a wired Ethernet connection to access the internet? If you are connecting wireless, have you ever tried or can you try using a cable, just to see if there is a major difference with speed?
I use a wireless connection. I am in a rural area and have 8mps which is fastest offered, so you may very well be right. All I know is I don’t have any slow down issues with any of my other devices, I.e. my iPad, streaming anything on my tv. I began to notice the slowness of the MBP while still on Sierra so it was not updating to HS that caused it. Being non-techy I may not solve this. I only use this MBP (high specked for its age) occasionally but it’s frustrating when my iPad is so much faster when I paid so much for this MBP. Thanks again to all who responded.
 

organicCPU

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A connection speed of 8 Mbit/s is about 1 Mbyte effective download speed for all of your devices. Usually the speed is asynchronous, so the upload speed should even be less. The more devices share that bandwidth, the less speed a single device is able to gather. You could try turning off all other devices for testing if there's just too much concurrency on your network, as modern devices tend to jabber all the times with the internet.

In my opinion, a wireless connection has one big drawback, that is quite a large latency. While streaming to your TV, a connection is already established and you can gain full speed of your internal network (different to your internet connection). The latency comes mainly into account while negotiating a connection to the internal network, as well as the internet. The time to establish a connection with a wireless network in general is much higher, than with a wired network. That's why I use a Gigabit Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter on my 2015 MBP for a wired connection. Consider that modern operating systems like macOS Sierra or High Sierra produce much traffic for many different services all the time. Especially if you do a restart or wake up the Mac, then it's quacking a lot and that with a large delay due to Wi-Fi's nature. I just can recommend to use wired Ethernet instead of Wi-Fi, whenever possible.

Of course there are possibilities to speed up a wireless network including:
- assigning a fixed IP address to your Mac (outside the DHCP range of your router setup) or at least verify that your router can serve a dynamic IP address through DHCP correctly for all of your devices
- switch between automatic and manual Wi-Fi channel assignment, if you're on 2,4-GHz (there are just 15 channels) or try using the 5 GHz band (makes sense if there are a lot of wireless networks in your neighbourhood)
- check the router firmware and update to the latest version and check the router settings for the sending signal strength
- test the signal strength that your Mac receives and on demand amplify the signal with the help of repeaters or an additional access point
- sometimes a new router is much more capable in handling an increased amount of network traffic, compared to models that have come into age
As a starting point read about checking Wi-Fi issues at https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202663
 
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