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In my experience, Apple's keyboard does not seem to learn based on what you type despite the fact that Apple says it does.
It does indeed learn, but incredibly slow. After typing a few phrases repeatedly for maybe soon a year, they come fully or partly as an suggestion, that is something that happened recently however.
 
I wonder if the "General bug fixes" update that just showed up for SwiftKey might have something related to all of this in it.
 
Tell me about it, Siri is about a useless as tits on a bull. He/she rarely understands what I say and brings me everything but what I am asking for & need. The predictive & auto correct keyboard is just as bad. I type better and faster without it because when I am typing a word and click the space bar it changes the word I had right to something else. So I have to go back and change it back. It does that constantly so I am always loosing time having to reread everything I type and having to go back and change the words it got wrong. So I finally just quite using it as it was slowing me down. But I really wish they would perfect it as it does have promise and usefulness if they got things right.
I use the spell-checking without AutoTypo.

I ignore all the instances of BS and get to enjoy seeing the occasional snafu which I otherwise wouldn't have seen right away.

Yeah, it's a bit annoying when your iMessage typing looks like a new installation of Word without custom dictionary entries and ignores set up, but oh well...

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Any third-party keyboard that wants internet access gets binned, plain and simple.

Is the implementation still as ****** as before on the latest iOS releases?

I haven't checked in a while, but I'd love to use something other than the awful stock keyboard again, I'm just not into crashes, the keyboard not showing or these sorts of shenanigans (well, I wouldn't grant online access anyways)

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No, it's not simple, because in that way, third party keyboards will be considerably inferior on iOS than on competing platforms, and some thing would be completely impossible, like the GIPHY keyboard, or the GBoard, or learning from multiple users at all time.

And the stock keyboard is everything but awful, if Apple's is awful, I can't describe Google's keyboard for Android or the laggy Swiftkey (and it's laggy everywhere, on Android top-of-the-line phones, not just on iOS)
 
No, it's not simple, because in that way, third party keyboards will be considerably inferior on iOS than on competing platforms, and some thing would be completely impossible, like the GIPHY keyboard, or the GBoard, or learning from multiple users at all time.

And the stock keyboard is everything but awful, if Apple's is awful, I can't describe Google's keyboard for Android or the laggy Swiftkey (and it's laggy everywhere, on Android top-of-the-line phones, not just on iOS)
It's awful not because it's awful at what it does, but that Apple keeps insisting not to implement Swype-type functionality or any other kind of faster typing.

And I wasn't talking about anyone else or what Apple should allow in the App Store, I was speaking for myself only.
Any keyboard that wants internet access to function got deleted from my phone/iPad.

As for GIPHY, I don't have that keyboard, but I wouldn't consider it a keyboard in the traditional sense, so to load some gifs and type nothing else in it, I guess I could live with it, but I have yet to download and try it.
As for "traditional typing" if you will: internet access needed → home screen → wiggle mode → X
Again, that's how I do it, what anyone else does with these sorts of keyboards is up to them. :)

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If Apple would just add a swipe keyboard and make their predictions better, there would be much less reason for people to seek out the SwiftKey solution.

For example, I'm often typing out a town name called Sugar Hill. I've been doing this for years with the Apple keyboard. Even so, when I type in "Sugar" and then add a space, the predictions from the Apple keyboard are "and", "in", and "daddy". If I toggle the caps lock on to make it even more obvious that I want it to predict "Hill", the predictions simply change to "And", "In", and "Daddy". I don't think I've used the term "Sugar Daddy" a single time on any of my iOS devices.

In my experience, Apple's keyboard does not seem to learn based on what you type despite the fact that Apple says it does.
This. 100% this. Apple should definitely add a swipe option to their keyboard. My wife and daughter both use Swype and, no hyperbole, they blaze so quickly across the keyboard. It looks like they are simply spreading finger grease on their screens. Somehow words magically appear. Their only complaints seem to be glitches caused by Apple's limitations. Apple could easily license the tech and make the stock keyboard better.
C'mon Apple listen to Teddy KGB in Rounders: "Pay him... pay that man his money."
 
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This. 100% this. Apple should definitely add a swipe option to their keyboard. My wife and daughter both use Swype and, no hyperbole, they blaze so quickly across the keyboard. It looks like they are simply spreading finger grease on their screens. Somehow words magically appear. Their only complaints seem to be glitches caused by Apple's limitations. Apple could easily license the tech and make the stock keyboard better.
C'mon Apple listen to Teddy KGB in Rounders: "Pay him... pay that man his money."
While I agree with the whole swipe/glide option being overdue at this point, I have to say that that great Rounders line that is a favorite of mine is what really got me.
 
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It's awful not because it's awful at what it does, but that Apple keeps insisting not to implement Swype-type functionality or any other kind of faster typing.

And I wasn't talking about anyone else or what Apple should allow in the App Store, I was speaking for myself only.
Any keyboard that wants internet access to function got deleted from my phone/iPad.

As for GIPHY, I don't have that keyboard, but I wouldn't consider it a keyboard in the traditional sense, so to load some gifs and type nothing else in it, I guess I could live with it, but I have yet to download and try it.
As for "traditional typing" if you will: internet access needed → home screen → wiggle mode → X
Again, that's how I do it, what anyone else does with these sorts of keyboards is up to them. :)

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"It doesn't have the feature that I want" --> it's awful

That's not how "awful" it works.

And if you don't want internet access, you can disable it.
 
This is one of the reasons I don't use third party keyboards. And probably the reason Apple restricts their use for password fields. But the main reason, even after two years, is because they still seem to be glitchy. The Google keyboard was handy, but I just know they're mining my data. No thanks!
Third party keyboards are ok. Full access. Not ok.
 
So can someone explain this further. How can swiftkey data of one user be transferred to another user by the initial user returning the device and the second user buying said device? That makes no sense. If that's true it would mean it's an iOS security issue with iCloud not being completely wiped from the device.
 
So can someone explain this further. How can swiftkey data of one user be transferred to another user by the initial user returning the device and the second user buying said device? That makes no sense. If that's true it would mean it's an iOS security issue with iCloud not being completely wiped from the device.
I don't believe it's iCloud or anything from Apple that's in question here, but SwitKey's own cloud service that they use for sync type of purposes: https://support.swiftkey.com/hc/en-us/sections/200442552-SwiftKey-Cloud-Account-Personalization-
 
"It doesn't have the feature that I want" --> it's awful

That's not how "awful" it works.

And if you don't want internet access, you can disable it.
As for personal judgement, yes that's how it works.
There are MUCH better keyboards, but they are held back not by their makers, but Apple's shoddy implementation of 3rd-party keyboards.

I know, but I was specifically talking about the keyboards that will refuse to be functional at all.
At least when I tried them there were a couple that needed you to grant them full permission otherwise they wouldn't work.

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If Apple would just add a swipe keyboard and make their predictions better, there would be much less reason for people to seek out the SwiftKey solution.

For example, I'm often typing out a town name called Sugar Hill. I've been doing this for years with the Apple keyboard. Even so, when I type in "Sugar" and then add a space, the predictions from the Apple keyboard are "and", "in", and "daddy". If I toggle the caps lock on to make it even more obvious that I want it to predict "Hill", the predictions simply change to "And", "In", and "Daddy". I don't think I've used the term "Sugar Daddy" a single time on any of my iOS devices.

In my experience, Apple's keyboard does not seem to learn based on what you type despite the fact that Apple says it does.
Why not just create a text expansion snippet for that? Set a trigger like "sgh" that will expand to become "Sugar Hill".

Wasn't swiftkey acquired by Microsoft? Guess they really do turn everything they touch to ****.
 
Why not just create a text expansion snippet for that? Set a trigger like "sgh" that will expand to become "Sugar Hill".

Wasn't swiftkey acquired by Microsoft? Guess they really do turn everything they touch to ****.
Yeah, they are part of Microsoft as of a few months ago or so. That said, Microsoft has been and is doing fine, and this probably doesn't have much to do with them as it was in place before Microsoft acquired them.
 
ITT: A whole bunch of people who didn't read the article and don't understand this had nothing to do with giving Swiftkey "Full Access".
 
I'd love a reliable alt keyboard, but for it to be useful it must be predictive past fixing typos. And that’s the sticking point for me right there. It has to gather at least some data about me, and in permitting that then I may put at risk info I’d rather not see distributed more widely. It’s hard to see how a company can actually make assurances that a “glitch” won’t happen. Even the best of apps can have "one or two" :D bugs...

As far as testing any new app, I can be enthusiastic but I'm also wary. I might think I need it or want it, but what I don't need is something half-baked or misbehaving to the point of causing me to wipe my device and start over. How many times do I want to wonder if my personal data was compromised anyway?

So I maintain an extra iPod touch with an isolated username setup and only the stock iOS permanently maintained on it. When I’m interested in a new app, I download it onto that device for openers. I want to see what it asks for and how it behaves for awhile. Some apps never get past that step.

But if I like the app then I put a special throwaway mail account on my testing device and use it to surf the news sites like AP or Reuters for a while, mailing links from it to another dummy account that I have on an old iPad Mini (also having only a stock setup on it).

And so forth -- gradually widening the test device’s window on the world and checking to see how the new app behaves in assorted circumstances. If I have questions or concerns, this is the timeframe in which I ask developers questions.

If after awhile I haven’t noticed any weird behavior while using the app as well as the browser and test mail account, then I ditch the test setups, cleaning off the testing devices so they’re ready for use again sometime. LOL well it’s a way to justify having the old gear around anyway.

Final step: think whether I really need that app, and then if I like it enough, install it on my iPhone or iPad.

I'd love to have an alt keyboard that could pass that shakeout. So far? Still waiting.
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ITT: A whole bunch of people who didn't read the article and don't understand this had nothing to do with giving Swiftkey "Full Access".
Can the cloud feature be enabled/used without full access being granted?
 

In response to the image you submitted as a post without additional comment, suggesting I have won the tinfoil hat award for my earlier post: I accept your opinion as a compliment to my hard work to ensure that I don't end up with truly dysfunctional apps on my computing gear. :)
 
So can someone explain this further. How can swiftkey data of one user be transferred to another user by the initial user returning the device and the second user buying said device? That makes no sense. If that's true it would mean it's an iOS security issue with iCloud not being completely wiped from the device.

It sounds like the problem is that he forgot to delete that phone from his list of shared Swiftkey devices. (Or he did but it did not take.)

Thus when the next person bought the phone and installed Swiftkey, the device association was still active and continued to share his personal suggestions.

If so, one fix might be for Swiftkey to also match a user id along with the device id.
 
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Can the cloud feature be enabled/used without full access being granted?

You can enable "Full Access", NOT use the sync feature and this issue wouldn't affect you at all.

The two really aren't related. To suggest they are, means a completely lack of understanding (or maybe ignorance) on the issue.
 
Apple promised no one could get our data. Deleting swift keyboard now.

No they didn't. They promised, right there on the screen of your phone, "Full access allows the developer of this keyboard to transmit anything you type, including things you previously typed with this keyboard. This could include sensitive information such as your credit card number or street address." And you clicked "Allow".
 
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You can enable "Full Access", NOT use the sync feature and this issue wouldn't affect you at all.

The two really aren't related. To suggest they are, means a completely lack of understanding (or maybe ignorance) on the issue.
But if you don't enable full access then you can't use the sync feature, right?
 
But if you don't enable full access then you can't use the sync feature, right?

Ok, thanks for sharing your ignorance.

You go right ahead and blame your fridge that it can't keep food cold after you stopped paying your electricity bills.
 
Ok, thanks for sharing your ignorance.

You go right ahead and blame your fridge that it can't keep food cold after you stopped paying your electricity bills.
So is that a yes or a no? Seems like I asked a simple question multiple times and all that's coming back are deflections and ad hominems (which I guess indirectly answers even more than that question).
 
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So is that a yes or a no? Seems like I asked a simple question multiple times and all that's coming back are deflections and ad hominems (which I guess indirectly answers even more than that question).

You might as well ask me what colour the sky is. We all know the answer, but it's not relevant.
 
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