Smartphone Battery Life May Be on the Decline Because Lithium Ion Batteries Can't Keep Up With New Technology

[stylinexpat]

Or just put a bigger, I mean BIGGER battery!
Since they don't give a damn about those of us who like smaller phones anyway!

They seem to be too obsessed with size these days. As big as they are why can’t they just make it 1-3mm thicker and put in a larger battery or allow for a user replaceable battery..? Does not require Einstein for this.

 

[toptekjon]

There really is a very easy fix, the article even covered it.

Just make the phone thicker. There, problem solved.

There's no benefit to having a phone as thin as current iPhones anyway.

I respectfully disagree. My battery life is excellent on XS Max, and I would not want a thicker phone. I would really prefer it to be much thinner. Go taller and wider, but for me, preferably not thicker.

To each their own though.

 

[NT1440]

They seem to be too obsessed with size these days. As big as they are why can’t they just make it 1-3mm thicker and put in a larger battery or allow for a user replaceable battery..? Does not require Einstein for this.

The iPhone has gotten thicker year to year for several years now...

 

[bingeciren]

Its not about thickness, it is weight that is the issue with a bigger battery. Too heavy to hold. The X is already too heavy.

Added weight comes from having a glass back and stainless frame, not battery.

 

[Tech198]

Smartphone batteries can't keep up because users demand their phone to do more and more, while we want the same battery life, even though they have better displays and all..

(Talk about pulling the rug from under us.)

You can't have a bigger, better display, but a reduced power draw... At some stage, somethings gotta give,

Even Apple's site 25 hours on the XR, compared to 20 hours on the XS (talk time)

or 15, compared to 12 for internet usage:

https://www.apple.com/au/iphone/compare/

 

[ROGmaster]

Because a few idiots will believe the lie and spread it. Gullible people will mistake rumors for facts and base their purchase decisions on unsubstantiated dreams of better (battery) life in the future.

Bill Gates even became the richest man on earth selling vaporware. But we agree, Samsung is not Apple and Windows is not macOS.

So you are saying an official press release is a rumor?
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The most involved???? You are out of your mind, Graphene battery research has been going on for years and years. Did you read the article that was posted earlier about the buses using Super Capacitors in like Belarus?

I was clearly talking OEM's that have connections with the smartphone industry.

A Rumor site (much like MacRumors) posts a rumor article that Samsung might bring Graphene technology to market next year and suddenly Samsung invented Graphene.

Well I guess you have to make stuff up and claim I said things I didn't say because you don't have any real arguments.

Graphene by itself is not anywhere near ready for mass production for small battery use. They are just now starting to bring it to market for larger products. If Samsung does bring it to market it will be like the article said, in conjunction with other battery tech to allow for much faster charging but will probably do nothing for battery life for a number of years.

Higher capacity at the same size and way faster charging si a pretty big deal but I get it you was to denigrate Samsung no matter what.

 

[MrCrowbar]

I though since Pokemon Go people got used to having a power bank attached every now and then? But yeah, the current iPhone are too thin and slippery IMO.

 

[Gudi]

So you are saying an official press release is a rumor?

No it’s vapor. It becomes a rumor by someone assuming a company will actually release hardware and software on time and as promised. At best corporate announcements are honest intentions, not predictions of the future. Taking announcements for real is no different than falling for a rumor.

The Real Reason White iPhone 4 Is Delayed

... The news debunks rumors that the white handset’s release is imminent.

 

[ROGmaster]

No it’s vapor.

So just because you don't like Samsung for example the Galaxy S10 must also be vaporware, the Note 10 is also vaporware an so on.

It becomes a rumor by someone assuming a company will actually release hardware and software on time and as promised.

Wait a minute, Samsung didn't disclose a launch date. What the rumors are saying is that the tech will be ready for the Note 10 release. It doesn't sound like something impossible.
Also Samsung gave perspective when announcing this research project, naming the parties involved as well as one of the persons that leads the project.

At best corporate announcements are honest intentions, not predictions of the future. Taking announcements for real is no different than falling for a rumor.

Really? That sounds like nonsense.
Unexperienced and small companies often over-hype some of the projects that are working on but Samsung doesn't fall in none of those categories.
Are you going to say now that 7nm EUV, LPDDR5 RAM or UFS 3.0(tech that Samsung will release soon) are also vaporware?
Are you going to say that this or this announcement are also vaporware?

The Real Reason White iPhone 4 Is Delayed

... The news debunks rumors that the white handset’s release is imminent.

Wow, so you are comparing a company's official press announcement with an article written by somebody who supposedly got information from a source with connections at Apple. Yeah it's basically the same thing. LOL

 

[Bacillus]

On a mostly white screen such as in web surfing AMOLED is pretty power hungry as pretty much every sub pixel has to be active. It’s during things like movies (due to mixed color content) and dark backgrounds that it’s usually much better than LCDs. Also OLED displays in current phones already only have 2 sub pixels rather than the standard 3 set RGB pixel layout leading to a lower effective resolution, though with higher resolution it compensates and becomes unnoticeable. A proper RGB OLED would be even more power hungry.

Main reason for RG-BG layout is to have much larger blue sub pixels as these decay the fastest (fraction of the life) compared to red & green. Green is what the human eye is more attuned to so hence why RG and BG pixels in pentile displays. Early HD oleds with this layout you could easily make out the graininess which is why I believe Samsung ramped up resolution to compensate.

Thx. Never heard that before buying OLED. I assume it also takes too much energy to develop system-wide dark mode.

 

[Bacillus]

There really is a very easy fix, the article even covered it.

Just make the phone thicker. There, problem solved.

There's no benefit to having a phone as thin as current iPhones anyway.

Sounds simple.
But it might require locking up Joni with a car batt on his back in some remote cave for a few months until he concedes
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If the UI and all apps and websites were OLED-friendly black, you would see a difference.

...as systemwide DarkMode is sooo hard to implement - oh wait Android has had it for more than a decade but it isn’t mature enough...

 

[ROGmaster]

A white iPhone 4 didn’t sound impossible either. If they can build a black one, surely they can build a white one. Right??

Wow so insist with that irrelevant iphone4 example.

You’re easily blinded by big names? Albert Einstein pre-announced the “Theory of Everything” and worked his entire remaining life on it. In research you never know what you will find until you find it.

Mathematicians and physicists talk about theories all the time.
Why on earth do you believe this is a relevant counter example to Samsung's research? Is Samsung trying to achieve the impossible or something? Does Samsung have a track record of failing to meet their road-maps?
What's oblivious to me is that you don't even realize that for an OEM like Samsung it's normal to preannounce new tech they are working on(and it's a good sign when they do such tings). AMD does it, Nvidia does it, TSMC does it, Intel does it etc.
And it looks like you ignored the entire part with 7nm EUV, LPDDR5 RAM or UFS 3.0, 5G Modem, ISOCELL Plus camera sensors, very nice and relevant smartphone tech Samsung has been working on.

iPhone 10 years later

Even the people who invented the iPhone admit, they didn’t know how it would change the world. So how can anyone make predictions?

LoL and what are you talking about? Samsung's graphite batteries?
Why should I assume that Samsung's graphite batteries won't see the light of day taking in consideration Samsung's great track record of developing new tech?(like the examples I gave above)

It’s amazing that Moore’s law of transistor density worked so well for so long. It helped me to skip so many quickly outdated phones.

Good for you, I guess.

 

[Falhófnir]

If companies weren't obsessed with making everything as thin as possible, this wouldn't be an issue.

True, but have you seen all the complaints about the ‘fat’ XR floating around on this site? For all people say ‘gimme a thicker phone with better battery’ a large group also seem to complain when that’s the route taken!

 

[zorinlynx]

True, but have you seen all the complaints about the ‘fat’ XR floating around on this site? For all people say ‘gimme a thicker phone with better battery’ a large group also seem to complain when that’s the route taken!

I wonder how much the fat XR complainers overlap with the "make batteries bigger" complainers, though.

I played with the XR recently, it didn't seem that fat to me.

 

[Michael Goff]

Sounds simple.
But it might require locking up Joni with a car batt on his back in some remote cave for a few months until he concedes
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...as systemwide DarkMode is sooo hard to implement - oh wait Android has had it for more than a decade but it isn’t mature enough...

Most Android phones don’t have a native system wide dark mode. What are you talking about?

 

[recoil80]

Maybe stop offsetting every efficiency gain with a smaller battery. Problem solved.

You didn't get enough likes.
I think it is important to have a light product, not a thin one. As long as they don't add too much weight I'm ok with them releasing a slightly ticker phone to accomodate a bigger battery. If would even solve the protruding camera issue, or they could put an even bigger sensor and still have it protruding, either way it would be an improvement!

 

[Bacillus]

Most Android phones don’t have a native system wide dark mode. What are you talking about?

Android Pie 9.0, earlier via custom versions.
Pretty much every Android phone has some version of an always-on ambient display, side-only notifications on Galaxies, dark mode in One-UI. etc., the platform feels better in exploiting the OLED advantages.
Apple seems ignorant/stagnant. Have a good day