Smoother Apple pen on 10.5

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  1. darkgremio macrumors 6502

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    Does anyone notice the difference in the response time of the new iPad Pro with the Apple Pencil?

    For me it seems that the writing is much more responsive in the sense that there is less lag. Is this due to the increased hertz for the refresh rate?
     
  2. Relentless Power macrumors G5

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    The Apple Pencil was reduced to a latency of 20ms. Basically, with the new 120 HZ Promotion display, it allows for more refinement with writing and drawing.
     
  3. chfilm macrumors 65816

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    Yes!! It's absolutely crazy better than before - even though I thought that wasn't possible.
     
  4. Fuzzball84 macrumors 6502

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    I thought reviewers last year said there was no noticable lag, so how is it noticably better this year?
     
  5. T'hain Esh Kelch macrumors 601

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    Maybe th small difference is noticeable, even though it wasn't apparent that it could get better before. I think the take him message is that the old version is also excellent.
     
  6. kazmac macrumors 601

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    Yes. Huge difference for me. So much so, I am drawing again on a regular basis for the first time in years. It was the major reason why I went iPad over an Apple laptop.
     
  7. Fuzzball84 macrumors 6502

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    Awesome, make sure you buy two apple pencils so you have one as a backup :)
     
  8. kazmac macrumors 601

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    Speaking for myself only, I no longer feel like I am drawing on glass, if that helps. That was a huge stumbling block of the first gen iPPs for me. For what it worth I am using a 12.9" but I felt the Pencil was equally good on the 10.5" when testing in store.
     
  9. chfilm macrumors 65816

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    Picture this: on the old ones, it felt for the first time like a really usable digital pencil.
    But now it really feels like the real thing, like drawing on paper. I did a direct comparison to my old 12.9" and it's noticeably smoother. Just like butter..
     
  10. Fuzzball84 macrumors 6502

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    Wait a minute its smoother or it feels like writing on paper? I was in an apple store and I seen someone testing the pencil between the new Pro and the old a customer had and they mixed up the ipads and when he was drawing on the old Pro he said it felt much better but they realised it was the old Pro they were drawing on.

    I might take my old pro along to see if there is any difference
     
  11. chfilm macrumors 65816

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    It is definitely smoother, like it just feels like you'Re going with a knife through butter that has been out of the fridge for 15 minutes. As opposed to one that's been fresh out of the fridge (on the old one). Haha excuse the weird example. But you can feel the difference immediately when you write the first word with the pencil on the new display.
     
  12. Fuzzball84 macrumors 6502

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    Wait a minute

    Some say its like writing on paper, like it has some resistance like the surface pro. Wheras others say its smoother and no resistance???

    To be honest i was hoping for something that feels more like on the surface pro as it feels more like a real pen and paper etc with the resistance
     
  13. MFDoom macrumors member

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    To me the new 10.5 has some slight resistance. It doesn't feel like writing on glass like the old pro's did to me
     
  14. epca12 macrumors regular

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    I think they mean the lower latency is like writing on paper, but it still feels smooth and the surface doesn't feel like paper. Some say matte screen protectors help with this but personally I would like to see a screen protector designed to feel like paper with the Apple pencil or maybe a different pencil tip if the screen protector makes touching the screen feel weird
     
  15. Badrottie Suspended

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    Will I see a lot difference with my 1st get 12.9 iPP?
     
  16. macduke macrumors 604

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    It’s all relative to what you’re used to. This happens with technology all the time. As things become more advanced, we set new standards of excellence. If it was the best on the market, there’s not much to compare it against, except maybe a real pencil. And obviously it was lagging behind that.
     
  17. Fuzzball84 macrumors 6502

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    But I thought they had recorded people drawing with the pencil in slow motion (I'll try and find the link) and reviewed said for all intents and purposes, there was no lag. Now people say it is noticeable less laggy.
     
  18. Fuzzball84 macrumors 6502

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    Ifixit show a video of the 10.5 in which they compare the old system and it does appear to show some lag but it's slow motion video. I thought other reviewers said there was none at all on the 1st gen
     
  19. iregret macrumors 6502

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    They’re both good. One is slightly more gooder.
     
  20. Steve686 macrumors 68030

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    I thought the pencil was one of the weak areas of my first gen 12.9. Higher latency and the tip of the pencil seemed to be several pixels away from the screen's input pixels.

    My 10.5 paired with the pencil absolutely nails what the intent of the pencil experience was meant to be. The latency has basically disappeared and the pencil is dead on accurate.

    Procreate is blazing fast and much more accurate when tilting to shade and discerning the amount of pressure you apply.

    Adobe sketch seems to still be in the performance area of my first gen 12.9 as the latency is still inherent in that app.

    I will note one annoying thing that hasn't changed from my 1st gen 12.9 to the current 10.5. The screen is a smudge magnet. I could barely tap a spot and it picks up oils like Velcro. So when doing sketches or writing, the pencil is going to encounter the splotches of resistance that feels like snowboarding down a run in the spring and hitting a semi melted spot. It kinda makes the board/pencil stick and slow down.

    A simple wipe of the screen and pencil tip alleviates this for a brief period. Artists gloves would help for drawing...
     
  21. carreragt7 macrumors regular

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    I have been playing around with my new 12.9" with Apple Pencil. I didn't buy the first gen as my brief experience doodling in an Apple Store didn't leave me very impressed. Having read up on the new one I figured it was a good time to try it out. Out of the box I was pretty impressed with the lack of lag, but it still just didn't feel like my good ol' sketchbook and pencil/marker setup. Ordered some Carez matte screen protectors and they arrived today, beat to hell and dented due to crappy amazon packaging. First one was too damaged, but 2nd one only has a few creases in it and the difference between naked screen and matte screen is night and day for me. I love the feel of the setup now. Still not quite the same as the real thing but I think some of the trade offs are worth it (layers, easily step back, etc.) and I am excited to keep honing my skills on the setup.
    I also backed the indiegogo Paper screen protector and truly hope it is more than just creative marketing for a regular matte screen protector.
    Another benefit of the matte screen protector is it really does help with keeping the smudging and reflection a lot more tamed down. I hate glossy screens.
     

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