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Snow Leopard + Black/White Macbooks = No multi-touch
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I was referring to the large (11 cm) requirement. But it appears that it does support the gestures, so sorry for doubting you! Sounds like it can be done with "a little smart coding." Just not as efficiently as with the newer multi-touch trackpads.
Thanks for all the information tekio.
I kind of feel sorry for you. After all the evidence you provided, a lot of people are still refusing to believe that Apple is capable of enabling this feature for white/black macbooks.
So here are the evidence:
1. Black/White macbooks can get 3-4 finger gesture in linux
2. There are videos in youtube about it.
So to all those people who keep saying that Apple can't do anything about it, is there a reason why you firmly believe so? For those who said, "well, it is a hardware problem!", would you mind to provide the source of this information?
Thanks,
Kalun
because it isn't a "feature" of the trackpads. Regardless of whether or not you can make gestures with it, it isn't multi-touch. That uses COMPLETELY DIFFERENT HARDWARE. The fact that you can write a driver to create pseudo multi-touch doesn't mean Apple have "crippled" anything, its that they aren't using that technology, and multi-touch is capable of much more than what the macbook trackpads can do. The dev even said that 4 fingers aren't recognised, and he's had to use "tricks" to get it to work. Apple aren't likely to write completely new drivers/software for old technology in order to hack it to work kinda like the current multi touch does.
IF they were the same, the dev wouldn't write about trying to make it "more iphone like" because if they were proper multi-touch, they would operate just like an iphone...
The reason we believe that they're different bits of hardware is because the Apple website says that they use "Solid State" trackpads, rather than multi-touch ones.
IF they were the same, the dev wouldn't write about trying to make it "more iphone like" because if they were proper multi-touch, they would operate just like an iphone...
The reason we believe that they're different bits of hardware is because the Apple website says that they use "Solid State" trackpads, rather than multi-touch ones.
I think you should be feeling sorry for yourself, you're the one that created this thread asking about this function. It doesn't matter if Apple CAN do it or the older Macbooks have the ability, the option is not being enabled so just live with it, it's not a big deal, the trackpads on the older Macs are too small anyway.
Wrong. If you ever took apart a MacBook L07 and a MBp M09, you know it's HARDWARE. I took them apart as I own those two models so don't argue. The plastic MacBooks of any color DOES NOT repeat DOES NOT have multi touch hardware, and there are no videos to prove such. Under Linux, you can not repeat can not detect more than 2 fingers. Show me a video that wasn't edited with special FX.
Well, it DOES NOT work with Linux of any distro and/or driver. Show me a video that was NOT edited with special FX.
Evidence is only evidence when you have something to back it up. All you have is the BS you pulled out of nowhere. Plastic MacBooks DO NOT repeat DO NOT have the multi touch hardware. Under Linux, Windows, UNIX, Mac OS X, whatever 3/4 fingers will NOT be detected. There is no conclusive evidence to prove so.
We believe Apple can't do anything about it because some of us are smart enough to take apart our computers and check the hardware. But people like you pull random BS out of nowhere claiming BS. PROVE IT. No say, "there's a video on youtube somewhere". I can make one of those videos that convincingly shows you that you can use 100 fingers on that trackpad. It's called video editing and special FX.
As for information, take apart your plastic MacBook and check the trackpad hardware and search for it on Google. I'm not taking apart my MacBook again just to prove to some liar/daydreamer that he/she's wrong. Too much work for someone that's not worth it.
Post the links to your YouTube videos.
Evidence?
Wo calm down for a second take a deep breath... now lets continue this in a calm manner.
Now you keep getting annoyed and shouting down claims about those who say it is possible to do because of videos of it running on linux, but you say its all edited and you haven't seen any such good enough video. Yet you come along claiming with no evidence except your own word saying that its different hardware. Now you're saying that from taking it apart it's different hardware, but how different is the hardware, if you took apart a macbook air and a macbook pro the hardware for the trackpad would look very different and be different hardware, but they both have multitouch. So when you say different hardware, what is it in the hardware that you have seen that means there can be no multitouch?
Now play nicely.
Wo calm down for a second take a deep breath... now lets continue this in a calm manner.
Now you keep getting annoyed and shouting down claims about those who say it is possible to do because of videos of it running on linux, but you say its all edited and you haven't seen any such good enough video. Yet you come along claiming with no evidence except your own word saying that its different hardware. Now you're saying that from taking it apart it's different hardware, but how different is the hardware, if you took apart a macbook air and a macbook pro the hardware for the trackpad would look very different and be different hardware, but they both have multitouch. So when you say different hardware, what is it in the hardware that you have seen that means there can be no multitouch?
Now play nicely.
does MacBook Pros with two finger scrolling have the multi-touch option with SL? I downloaded SL today and I see no option for it?
I have an aluminum MacBook Pro that has two finger scrolling gestures.
any advice?
I have an aluminum MacBook Pro that has two finger scrolling gestures.
any advice?
Wo calm down for a second take a deep breath... now lets continue this in a calm manner.
Now you keep getting annoyed and shouting down claims about those who say it is possible to do because of videos of it running on linux, but you say its all edited and you haven't seen any such good enough video. Yet you come along claiming with no evidence except your own word saying that its different hardware. Now you're saying that from taking it apart it's different hardware, but how different is the hardware, if you took apart a macbook air and a macbook pro the hardware for the trackpad would look very different and be different hardware, but they both have multitouch. So when you say different hardware, what is it in the hardware that you have seen that means there can be no multitouch?
Now play nicely.
You seem to be posting very rationally, but you are ignoring the fact that the hardware is different. 2008+ Aluminum models have Multi-Touch trackpads. Plastic MacBooks and earlier models do not.
Tekio has shown some evidence that the plastic MacBook trackpads can detect up to 3 separate fingers. Apple only supports two fingers on these trackpads. Assuming the evidence is true (I have no reason to believe otherwise), that still doesn't change the fact that they are not Multi-Touch trackpads. They would require significantly different software to work and would not function as well as the actual Multi-Touch trackpads.
Only Mac aluminum notebooks introduced in 2008 or later support Multi-Touch 3 and 4 finger gestures. I think they all have the larger glass trackpads.
I've kinda given up on the idea of multi-touch for plastic Macbooks, I just couldn't believe the idiocy and hypocrisy of the post from SnowLeaopard2008, I had to pick them up on it.
No, early 2008 classic MBPs support it as well. If you option-click the Apple in the top left, and click system profiler, under the "Hardware" option, the model identifier needs to be 4,0 or higher to have multi-touch.
^Where's this coming from?
If my 4,1 black book trackpad is capable of more than it already does, I'd love to see how. Otherwise I can deal until Apple makes a black unibody.
If my 4,1 black book trackpad is capable of more than it already does, I'd love to see how. Otherwise I can deal until Apple makes a black unibody.
ohh only the ones that had pinch and rotate has the multi-touch? ..wow what a let down..is the 4,1 a sure thing?..cause mine says 3,1 =(
but on the side not I am loving SL it saved about 14Gigs for me and it's much much faster and it has a very snappy reaction to everything I do overall it's much better in performance that it is fully noticeable to me! Thanks Apple!
but on the side not I am loving SL it saved about 14Gigs for me and it's much much faster and it has a very snappy reaction to everything I do overall it's much better in performance that it is fully noticeable to me! Thanks Apple!
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I am SO angered by this!!!! All this talk about "older" macbook models... Only the macbook's that previously had multitouch now get multitouch??? WTF apple? of course they get it, they already had it!!! I was seriously looking forward to this feature!!
All this talk about "older" macbook models... Only the macbook's that previously had multitouch now get multitouch??? WTF apple? of course they get it, they already had it!!! I was seriously looking forward to this feature!!I am SO angered by this!!!!
Synaptics trackpad controller => Doesn't support multitouch
Broadcom trackpad controller => Supports 4-fingered multitouch
This is like complaining that Leopard didn't enable 802.11n on the original CoreDuo MacBook 1,1-- The Core2Duo MacBook 2,1 got 802.11n enabled when it was upgraded to 10.5.
The difference was because the Core2Duo MB had an a/b/g/n modem chip inside of it all the time and the feature could be easily enabled through software. The same principal applies here in that trackpads which could easily updated to support 4 fingered multitouch have been improved, while those laptops which could only exploited 4-fingered multitouch through some sort of tricky software kludge have been ignored.
Maybe Apple could have added 3-fingered gestures to the older MacBooks and maybe it would have worked okay-- but 4-fingered multitouch was simply not possible on the Synaptics trackpads. Not even this linux developer is claiming 4-fingered multitouch.
I really think what is going on here is that Apple wanted to simplify the multitouch capabilities of their laptops for PROGRAMMERS not for the users. Say you are a programmer and you want to add multitouch capabilities to your application. Are you going to waste time adding 4-fingered gestures knowing they won't work on early multitouch laptops? Do you have to use different programming routines for the trackpad on a model-by-model basis, depending on how many fingers can be used? What if these hacked Synaptics trackpads aren't very good at reading particular types of gestures-- how does that effect the flow of your application? For programmers, it's easier to just have one 4-fingered multitouch model to worry about, and another case where there is no multitouch at all to program for.
I am SO angered by this!!!!
So you didn't read Apple's website regarding this?
It was spelled out in black and white that four-fingered gestures would be available to multi-touch capable MacBook Pros.
Does it work on first generation MacBook airs? The trackpad works perfectly with the 4-finger driver for 10.5.8.
From
http://www.tuaw.com/2009/06/15/multi-touch-coming-to-older-macbooks-not-so-fast/
Just to break it down, this is a list of the only, and I mean only, notebooks that support multi-touch gestures, either now or after Snow Leopard:
MacBook Air (all models)
Early 2008 MacBook Pro
Late 2008 17" MacBook Pro
Unibody MacBook (all models)
Unibody MacBook Pro (all models)
If you have a MacBook Pro manufactured before early 2008 or any plastic MacBook, then Snow Leopard or not, multi-touch isn't coming your way...
So don't think the white/black macbook will work...
So to recap:
These features work on these models:
MacBook Air (all models)
Early 2008 MacBook Pro
Late 2008 17" MacBook Pro
Unibody MacBook (all models)
Unibody MacBook Pro (all models)
The features Apple added were things like 4 finger gestures, that did not ship originally on say the first MacBook Air.
The hardware in a Multi-Touch laptop (listed above) is different than a two touch trackpad found in the plastic MacBooks.
A driver may be able to be written to extend the functionality (somewhat) of the older trackpads, but Apple is not perusing this, and is only writing code based around the multi-touch hardware.
I think that pretty much ends things, right?
These features work on these models:
MacBook Air (all models)
Early 2008 MacBook Pro
Late 2008 17" MacBook Pro
Unibody MacBook (all models)
Unibody MacBook Pro (all models)
The features Apple added were things like 4 finger gestures, that did not ship originally on say the first MacBook Air.
The hardware in a Multi-Touch laptop (listed above) is different than a two touch trackpad found in the plastic MacBooks.
A driver may be able to be written to extend the functionality (somewhat) of the older trackpads, but Apple is not perusing this, and is only writing code based around the multi-touch hardware.
I think that pretty much ends things, right?