Snow Leopard vs Mountain Lion

[ecoarena]

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Wifferdill...WOW! Much more eloquent and to the point than I. I heartily agree 100%. Just as with Krazy Bill, we all have similar backgrounds. As I mentioned earlier, I too have a late model MacBook Pro running 'LION!!!!' (gratefully purchased for me) but it's sole role is to enable me to check emails, give simple presentations and to browse the web - that's all it is entrusted with. The real workhorse and centre of my creativity is my desktop running Snow Leopard - she's fast, powerful, reliable and compatible (sounds like the perfect mate?). The 'legacy users' amongst us know exactly where you are coming from. If I were to jump into the future, I predict that the home of the future (a doubtful future given our current trends of financial greed and environmental abuse) is where Apple wants to be. The computer that runs a home, that switches lights on when you walk in the door, an integrated system that controls your audiovisual world and tickles all your fancies....I daresay, that is Apple's ultimate aim - complex operations from a single button, the dumbing down of beautiful technologies. To 'think different' no longer applies. Apple's dishing out of iPads, one after the other, ripping off purchasers and contributing to a growing obsolescence is reflective of a company that has indeed lost the plot (I've said it many times before, I cannot help but think Apple has the 'perfect' iPad already built, but are just shelling out 'small' refinements, to keep us shelling out the dough). We supported and contributed to the success of Apple, but now, I feel that Apple is no longer supporting its customers. Apple is now little more than a business that is more concerned with its competition, than truly thinking different. Systems that worked for me for years, are no longer changed to better my life, but rather to clutter it and, in the process, annoy me. I loved my Classic, even my LC III, Powermac G3 (gosh we almost had an affair) and my G5 - I doubt that I'll ever say I love my MacBook Pro......it's a nice machine and has some nice curves but post Snow Leopard...she'll never quite 'do it' for me.

 

[oneMadRssn]

With Snow Leopard I use the machine for what I need to use it. It never crashes (and I mean never, unless I do something stupid) and most importantly, it flawlessly runs the software I need to do my job (or entertain myself). I was in the same boat when it came to questioning Lion and yes, I had issues with my ProTools/hardware integration etc. So…I stuck with Snow Leopard.

So, I stuck with Snow Leopard as it gets my job done and yes, I built a hackintosh. I built it in the shell of the G5 that Apple made obsolete not long after I bought it.

If someone can convince me that Mountain Lion will make my work more effective, then I’ll upgrade, but to date, Apple’s desire to emulate their mobile iOS in everything, does very little to impress or excite me (I think I’ll go and hug my Classic). God bless you Steve, thank you, but I now know what I want.

IF YOU ARE ASKING THIS QUESTION THEN YOU UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES... so my answer is... stay with SL. All the mundane chatter about future software and drivers is pointless. I have Photoshop CS5 and all the best tools... web development, programming... hard drives, SSD's, printers et al... are not going to change much in the next 2 to 5 years. If you are productive with your SL then follow the advise so many pissed off Apple users are shouting at Apple... if it works, don't fix it.

Both of you hinted to a broader question: For how much longer can you hang on to SL? How much longer will you keep replacing failing hardware to keep them going? How many versions of newer software that is incompatible with SL will you keep ignoring?

I'm not trying to by cynical. In my case, if I tried really hard, I can probably last ~10yrs. It's already been 2, so only 8 to go! (Imagine the money I'd save!) But eventually Chrome and Firefox will stop updating for SL, new web technologies will come out and new ways of socializing on the internet that require the newer browsers, other new software specific to my field of work, replacement hardware will become harder to come by, and either I will be left behind or SL will have to be left behind.

When that day comes for you, are you going to switch to another platform, or return to the brand you've been loyal to and take whatever Apple is selling?

 

[Zwhaler]

Honeslty I'm still on SL and everything feels fine. I much prefer the way it works, and don't need ANY features ML has. If you are like me, then stick with SL. It's all about feeling comfortable, and I feel more comfortable on SL than ML, and since the computer is used for work I don't care about a lot of the ML features that I don't need (all of them)

 

[miata]

Both of you hinted to a broader question: For how much longer can you hang on to SL? How much longer will you keep replacing failing hardware to keep them going? How many versions of newer software that is incompatible with SL will you keep ignoring?

I'm not trying to by cynical. In my case, if I tried really hard, I can probably last ~10yrs. It's already been 2, so only 8 to go! (Imagine the money I'd save!) But eventually Chrome and Firefox will stop updating for SL, new web technologies will come out and new ways of socializing on the internet that require the newer browsers, other new software specific to my field of work, replacement hardware will become harder to come by, and either I will be left behind or SL will have to be left behind.

When that day comes for you, are you going to switch to another platform, or return to the brand you've been loyal to and take whatever Apple is selling?

A lot of us aren't going to wait forever. We'll upgrade to some later version of MacOS when we need to. That could be a year from now or could be two years.

I don't like the direction that Apple is going, but they are still better than the alternatives -- at least for the desktop.

 

[Badagri]

I don't understand whats so bad about Mountain Lion. I don't use the social part of Mountain Lion. Everything runs as fluid as Snow Leopard bar the dated UI of Snow Leopard. Everything graphical on Mountain Lion is sublime.

I'm still using Mountain Lion exactly the same way I would have with Snow Leopard.

 

[cmChimera]

Mentalities seen in this thread:

1. I'm in IT so I'm clearly a super genius. Mountain lion sucks because I say so.

2. I hate mountain lion. Firefox, which is not a system app whatsoever but shut up, doesn't work properly.

3. I wanted a 10.7 that added nothing new, useful or not. I don't understand why Apple had to add things.

4. Mountain lion crashed once on me, it's terrible.

5. It's the end of the road for apple, no way a power user would value features like a centralized notification center, and cloud integration with there idevices. That stuff is for n00bs.

6. Mountain Lion is the Vista of OS X even though most people love it.

7. I'm never switching off Snow Leopard, Apple keeps giving optional ways for new users feel more at home using their Macs, and I don't like it. Who turns on inverted scrolling, seriously!?


This thread is hilarious. Mountain Lion is fantastic. Lion was pretty good, kinda like Leopard was. In the same way that Snow Leopard improved upon Leopard, Mountain Lion improved upon Lion. I have my minor gripes, but my experience has been very pleasant.

 

[RSL]

Apple stop putting out crappy half-baked consumer software and give Serlet whatever he wants to come back!!!

Sorry I just spent a couple of hours on my wife's ML macbook.

 

[LeandrodaFL]

TotalSpaces

TotalSpaces is an app that brings back the Grid Spaces found in Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion

I suget people here check it out. I sitll havent, but Im craving for it

I love Snow Leopard and I hate Lion/Mountain Lion for getting rid of Exposé and Spaces, but I ahve to admit I need a hardware upgrade, so Im gonna have to endure Mountain Lion

Mountian Lion is in now way an upgrade to Snow Leopard, but now with TotalSpaces, and the fact that they kinda fixed the Exposé in Mission Control, I think I can live with Mountain Lion

Certainly, whatever new OS is next, its gonna be even worse.

 

[sidewinder]

Mentalities seen in this thread:

1. I'm in IT so I'm clearly a super genius. Mountain lion sucks because I say so.

2. I hate mountain lion. Firefox, which is not a system app whatsoever but shut up, doesn't work properly.

3. I wanted a 10.7 that added nothing new, useful or not. I don't understand why Apple had to add things.

4. Mountain lion crashed once on me, it's terrible.

5. It's the end of the road for apple, no way a power user would value features like a centralized notification center, and cloud integration with there idevices. That stuff is for n00bs.

6. Mountain Lion is the Vista of OS X even though most people love it.

7. I'm never switching off Snow Leopard, Apple keeps giving optional ways for new users feel more at home using their Macs, and I don't like it. Who turns on inverted scrolling, seriously!?


This thread is hilarious. Mountain Lion is fantastic. Lion was pretty good, kinda like Leopard was. In the same way that Snow Leopard improved upon Leopard, Mountain Lion improved upon Lion. I have my minor gripes, but my experience has been very pleasant.

Truth!!

Some people are unhappy with change.....

S-

 

[ecoarena]

Truth!!

Some people are unhappy with change.....

S-

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I wonder how old you folks are.
Change is not always for the better. My daughers LOVE using the new Macs, running Lion or Mountain Lion...it's not the system that they love, it's the fact that they can simply play Minecraft or Angry Birds etc. Furthermore, for new consumers of Macs, ANY system will look and feel great. However, I will reiterate, change is not always for the better.
Those of us who have been using Macs for decades, I will argue, are able to discern what is a good and bad system. It all depends on what works for you. Snow Leopard runs everything I need it to run and does it well. Lion does not and nor does Mountain Lion. Also, what's the big deal with Snow Leopard no longer being supported? Give me 10 years and I'll still be able to produce and create work as good as anyone using any system. Oh..and I don't think I'm going to be upset if I'm ever unable to access the internet due to some incompatibility in browser/system (will I miss 'Crapbook' and ****ter? I don't think so as I don't use them). It will give me more time to be creative (if I'm not mistaken, there WAS a world before I bought my first computer). Furthermore, um...there are billions of users who are years behind 'the rest of us' ....a company that makes its product redundant too early, is very foolish indeed. You know, recently I bought a new bass guitar (early xmas present). The model first came out in the 1960s and I bought the 2012 model which has remained virtually unchanged.
One more time, if you have something that works and ain't broke, why fix it? I still love Apple, but the innovation seems to be slipping as they scramble to stay afloat in the world of competition. In such a world, customer support and satisfaction is very important indeed.

 

[ojcruz]

Hey everyone. My two cents.

I switched from SL to ML recently and it's been hit and miss. Mostly miss. A lot of little things that used to work properly now don't.

I used spaces all the time. MC seemed like an upgrade but it lacks some simple stuff that I used to do all the time. I have two monitors and with spaces you could send any app to any space in any monitor. In MC you can't send apps to a different monitor. A different space, yes. Monitor, no.

Hiding the scroll bars is kinda cool but when scrolling down to the bottom of a long list I realized that the horizontal bar covers the last item on the list. So now I have to wait till the bar disappears before I can get at the file. Minor problem but really annoying after a while. I had to switch them on all the time. Meaning I had to work to fix the problem and the solution was to put it back the way it was in SL.

Even more growl stuff popping up. I hated growl. I still do. I turned it off then. Now it's apparently called badges (like on the iPhone). Still annoying. More stuff to turn off. I guess some people need to be harassed by their computers so maybe this one could be given a pass.

Drag and drop does a silly, unnecessary animation. I can't remember ever dragging and dropping and thinking, "god I wish this thing animated the icons into a vertical list". In fact there is a whole bunch of tacky animations that have been added to the OS, like the bounce when you reach the bottom of a doc for instance and the new bounce out of a new file when you hit save as (now duplicate apparently) in Pages.Which brings me to the next thing.

Save as. Pages lost it's save as. Now I have a duplicate button which is only almost the same thing. It used to simply keep one document open, rename it and save it. Now hitting save as leaves you with two open files. I use a lot of templates so now the original template file (which I no longer need) remains open. Awesome. I later discovered that holding option brings back my button. Although now the shortcut requires alt as well.

Fullscreen sucks if you have two monitors. Why? because you can only use one monitor while in fullscreen mode, meaning there is no real gain in screen real-estate.

Spotlight. I use spotlight all the time. I never go sifting through folders to find anything. I cmd-spacebar and search spotlight for what I'm looking for. If I don't find it in the first few items I would hit show all in finder at the top and get a longer list. This list is now sorted by dates, which at first seemed awesome but it turns out is not. Not everything you need was opened today or recently for that matter. Off to the bottom of the pile for you. searching for delayed woosh in my finder search bar leads to this listing:

Previous 30 days
SAticoNew.xmp

Earlier
Audio Plug-Ins Guide.pdf
AIR Virtual Instruments.pdf
Delayed woosh.wav
Delayed woosh.mp3

I was looking for the last one. Awesome.

Another fun thing about the finder search is that it now lists name matches as a drop down which turns the search into a token. This means hitting delete won't erase just the last letter but the whole thing. You have to double click the word to be able to edit it. Advantages of turning the word into a token? None.

Quicklook got hurt. Used to be, I would spacebar and get an image in quick look. Then I would pinch to go full screen. It didn't matter where you pinched, now it must be done on the top bar. This is not true of videos, only images. Also pinching to leave fullscreen works fine for text files and videos but not images. Pdfs also don't go fullscreen but rather zoom in within the view. These used to all work the same way. It's also generally uglier, but that's not quick look specific. It's got a couple of new buttons at the top and some of the new functionality is welcome. Still, half a good thing. Half a bad one.

Notification center is cool and so is iCloud. I heard someone argue that it's not safe but I just keep my state secrets and naked lady pictures off the cloud. It's been working fine.

The OS as a whole is less responsive. Not slower, just not responsive. Sometimes I need to click a bunch of times at a window before it figures out I want it to be in focus.

Not big on the facebook stuff but I guess it's a good thing for many users. I just tried to make sure I didn't get people's stupid facebook pictures in my contacts.

Autocorrect sucks. There has never been a good autocorrect. There apparently never will be. I'm tired of sending people incoherent emails because autocorrect thought I meant ass instead of ask. I turned it off but the suggestions get selected if you hit spacebar so if it suggests some dumb thing towards the end of the word you need to arrow key into the next word instead of space or you'll change what you wrote. It's happened several times while I was writing this.

So yeah, if I could go back to SL, I would. But I need Lion specific software to work these days. So I'm stuck with ML. I believe this mayhem started during Lion so I'm not even contemplating going for that one.

 

[Cave Man]

This thread is hilarious. Mountain Lion is fantastic.

Yes, it's awesome, including the forced restarts every four or five days that require repairing disk permissions each time and apps crashing at least once or twice a day. Man, I just love those bugs, eh, I mean features. 🙄

 

[Badagri]

Yes, it's awesome, including the forced restarts every four or five days that require repairing disk permissions each time and apps crashing at least once or twice a day. Man, I just love those bugs, eh, I mean features. 🙄

😵

I've had an uptime past 30 days and had to restart once due to a software update. Not once have I touched permissions. Nor do I ever recall having an app crash. Lots of photo editing and archive/unarchiving batches. As well as file transferring.

 

[LeandrodaFL]

And it seems Microsoft won't develop anymore Office for Mac and majority of the business world is on Office platform.
So to have fun Mac is fine but Mountain Lion is just a toy ... not for working.

Probably OSX decadence started when Bertrand Serlet left Apple.

Shame on you Apple!

OpenOffice is a free application that can open ANY Micorosfot Office document. Its avalilable for Windows an Mac and Linux. Seriously, if you ares still paying for this suite....you have money to burn.....

Then again, most business people are not well informed enough

 

[wiz7dome]

Quicklook got hurt. Used to be, I would spacebar and get an image in quick look. Then I would pinch to go full screen. It didn't matter where you pinched, now it must be done on the top bar. This is not true of videos, only images. Also pinching to leave fullscreen works fine for text files and videos but not images. Pdfs also don't go fullscreen but rather zoom in within the view. These used to all work the same way. It's also generally uglier, but that's not quick look specific. It's got a couple of new buttons at the top and some of the new functionality is welcome. Still, half a good thing. Half a bad one. "

Tell me about it!

I guest that is the new direction of HUD's. Unobtrusive Black glassy look is being replaced with a HARD TO AVOID,HARD TO FOCUS ON CONTENT, WHITE BACKGROUND

Its as annoying as trying to read all sentences in all caps.

I noticed the new version of Firefox changed to match it as well. I moved back to the old version. Its as if Apple forgot the point of HUD and everything else visual.

 

[HenryDJP]

Yes, it's awesome, including the forced restarts every four or five days that require repairing disk permissions each time and apps crashing at least once or twice a day. Man, I just love those bugs, eh, I mean features. 🙄

Repairing disk permissions? Who in the heck still does that? There's no real need to do that and if you're going to do it, it should be done through Disk Utility on the Install Screen, not Disk Utility from from the utilities folder. You're wasting your time.
I've never had issues with forced restarts in ML and I'm a power user as I use my iMac for my business.

 

[Badagri]

I've never had issues with forced restarts in ML and I'm a power user as I use my iMac for my business.

I find it so hard not to think of power users as... stegosaurus!

 

[cmChimera]

Drag and drop does a silly, unnecessary animation. I can't remember ever dragging and dropping and thinking, "god I wish this thing animated the icons into a vertical list". In fact there is a whole bunch of tacky animations that have been added to the OS, like the bounce when you reach the bottom of a doc for instance and the new bounce out of a new file when you hit save as (now duplicate apparently) in Pages.Which brings me to the next thing.

Though I'm not sure if the animation is even new, are you being serious? This is an actual complaint? How does this possibly affect your productivity?

Save as. Pages lost it's save as. Now I have a duplicate button which is only almost the same thing. It used to simply keep one document open, rename it and save it. Now hitting save as leaves you with two open files. I use a lot of templates so now the original template file (which I no longer need) remains open. Awesome. I later discovered that holding option brings back my button. Although now the shortcut requires alt as well.

Have you tried Versions yet? I assure you it's a great feature to have. It's the reason why save as is gone, and after using it extensively, I think the trade off is worth it.

Even more growl stuff popping up. I hated growl. I still do. I turned it off then. Now it's apparently called badges (like on the iPhone). Still annoying. More stuff to turn off. I guess some people need to be harassed by their computers so maybe this one could be given a pass.

Notifications can be used for far more than harassment....

Fullscreen sucks if you have two monitors. Why? because you can only use one monitor while in fullscreen mode, meaning there is no real gain in screen real-estate.

This is not true despite many app developers not allowing you to use the other monitor. It is possible to use both monitors in full screen mode, but the app has to make it so.

Spotlight. I use spotlight all the time. I never go sifting through folders to find anything. I cmd-spacebar and search spotlight for what I'm looking for. If I don't find it in the first few items I would hit show all in finder at the top and get a longer list. This list is now sorted by dates, which at first seemed awesome but it turns out is not. Not everything you need was opened today or recently for that matter. Off to the bottom of the pile for you. searching for delayed woosh in my finder search bar leads to this listing:

Previous 30 days
SAticoNew.xmp

Earlier
Audio Plug-Ins Guide.pdf
AIR Virtual Instruments.pdf
Delayed woosh.wav
Delayed woosh.mp3

I was looking for the last one. Awesome.

This is not true. My search does not arrange by date, but I can choose for it too. I can also do it by name, date last opened, etc.

Another fun thing about the finder search is that it now lists name matches as a drop down which turns the search into a token. This means hitting delete won't erase just the last letter but the whole thing. You have to double click the word to be able to edit it. Advantages of turning the word into a token? None.

Then don't click name search? If you're trying to delete just one or two letters out of the name just type the name without the letter(s)......

Notification center is cool and so is iCloud. I heard someone argue that it's not safe but I just keep my state secrets and naked lady pictures off the cloud. It's been working fine.

You were just saying you didn't like the "growl stuff"....

The OS as a whole is less responsive. Not slower, just not responsive. Sometimes I need to click a bunch of times at a window before it figures out I want it to be in focus.

Not been my experience, I'm sure others would disagree with you.

Autocorrect sucks. There has never been a good autocorrect. There apparently never will be. I'm tired of sending people incoherent emails because autocorrect thought I meant ass instead of ask. I turned it off but the suggestions get selected if you hit spacebar so if it suggests some dumb thing towards the end of the word you need to arrow key into the next word instead of space or you'll change what you wrote. It's happened several times while I was writing this.

Then turn it off? I turned autocorrect off.

Yes, it's awesome, including the forced restarts every four or five days that require repairing disk permissions each time and apps crashing at least once or twice a day. Man, I just love those bugs, eh, I mean features. 🙄

And, in your opinion, this is an inherent issue of Mountain Lion? Everyone that installs Mountain Lion is going to have that experience? Let's be realistic. You're having computer issues that may or may not have anything to do with Mountain Lion. For whatever reason, you have decided to not fix them, and blame them on Mountain Lion.

 

[koban4max]

Hey everyone. My two cents.

Hiding the scroll bars is kinda cool but when scrolling down to the bottom of a long list I realized that the horizontal bar covers the last item on the list. So now I have to wait till the bar disappears before I can get at the file. Minor problem but really annoying after a while. I had to switch them on all the time. Meaning I had to work to fix the problem and the solution was to put it back the way it was in SL.

That indicates you're a little baby that needs to be taken cared.... ITS NOT HARD TO FIX IT>... GO TO PERFERENCE....

Even more growl stuff popping up. I hated growl. I still do. I turned it off then. Now it's apparently called badges (like on the iPhone). Still annoying. More stuff to turn off. I guess some people need to be harassed by their computers so maybe this one could be given a pass.

True complainer....

Drag and drop does a silly, unnecessary animation. I can't remember ever dragging and dropping and thinking, "god I wish this thing animated the icons into a vertical list". In fact there is a whole bunch of tacky animations that have been added to the OS, like the bounce when you reach the bottom of a doc for instance and the new bounce out of a new file when you hit save as (now duplicate apparently) in Pages.Which brings me to the next thing.

😡

Save as. Pages lost it's save as. Now I have a duplicate button which is only almost the same thing. It used to simply keep one document open, rename it and save it. Now hitting save as leaves you with two open files. I use a lot of templates so now the original template file (which I no longer need) remains open. Awesome. I later discovered that holding option brings back my button. Although now the shortcut requires alt as well.

You can actually fix it to make it permantely save as without duplicating...this one you have to google it...I know I DID

Fullscreen sucks if you have two monitors. Why? because you can only use one monitor while in fullscreen mode, meaning there is no real gain in screen real-estate.

🙄

Spotlight. I use spotlight all the time. I never go sifting through folders to find anything. I cmd-spacebar and search spotlight for what I'm looking for. If I don't find it in the first few items I would hit show all in finder at the top and get a longer list. This list is now sorted by dates, which at first seemed awesome but it turns out is not. Not everything you need was opened today or recently for that matter. Off to the bottom of the pile for you. searching for delayed woosh in my finder search bar leads to this listing:

Previous 30 days
SAticoNew.xmp

Earlier
Audio Plug-Ins Guide.pdf
AIR Virtual Instruments.pdf
Delayed woosh.wav
Delayed woosh.mp3

I was looking for the last one. Awesome.

Another fun thing about the finder search is that it now lists name matches as a drop down which turns the search into a token. This means hitting delete won't erase just the last letter but the whole thing. You have to double click the word to be able to edit it. Advantages of turning the word into a token? None.

Quicklook got hurt. Used to be, I would spacebar and get an image in quick look. Then I would pinch to go full screen. It didn't matter where you pinched, now it must be done on the top bar. This is not true of videos, only images. Also pinching to leave fullscreen works fine for text files and videos but not images. Pdfs also don't go fullscreen but rather zoom in within the view. These used to all work the same way. It's also generally uglier, but that's not quick look specific. It's got a couple of new buttons at the top and some of the new functionality is welcome. Still, half a good thing. Half a bad one.

Notification center is cool and so is iCloud. I heard someone argue that it's not safe but I just keep my state secrets and naked lady pictures off the cloud. It's been working fine.

The OS as a whole is less responsive. Not slower, just not responsive. Sometimes I need to click a bunch of times at a window before it figures out I want it to be in focus.

Not big on the facebook stuff but I guess it's a good thing for many users. I just tried to make sure I didn't get people's stupid facebook pictures in my contacts.

Autocorrect sucks. There has never been a good autocorrect. There apparently never will be. I'm tired of sending people incoherent emails because autocorrect thought I meant ass instead of ask. I turned it off but the suggestions get selected if you hit spacebar so if it suggests some dumb thing towards the end of the word you need to arrow key into the next word instead of space or you'll change what you wrote. It's happened several times while I was writing this.

Had no problem there.

So yeah, if I could go back to SL, I would. But I need Lion specific software to work these days. So I'm stuck with ML. I believe this mayhem started during Lion so I'm not even contemplating going for that one.

posted within your quote

 

[Cave Man]

Repairing disk permissions? Who in the heck still does that? There's no real need to do that and if you're going to do it, it should be done through Disk Utility on the Install Screen, not Disk Utility from from the utilities folder. You're wasting your time.

If I don't the computer will not shut down - sticks at the gray screen. And yes, I have booted from my OS X ML flash drive to Repair Disk as well as Repair Permissions. No avail.

I've never had issues with forced restarts in ML and I'm a power user as I use my iMac for my business.

I've been using Macs since OS 7 in the early 1990s. Lion and Mountain Lion have been the least stable introductions since the switch to OS X (after its beta release). This is not just one computer, this is three - a 2012 Mac mini, a 2011 MacBook Pro and my 12-core Mac Pro. The Pro spontaneously shuts down on occasion, which never happened with Lion or Snow Leopard, and quite frequently my inbox in Mail disappears, requiring a quit and relaunch of Mail. What's remarkable is that I have the least amount of trouble with ML on my Hackintosh (and my MacBook Air).

And, in your opinion, this is an inherent issue of Mountain Lion?

It is my personal experience, but considering the hardware I'm running I shouldn't have this much trouble.

Everyone that installs Mountain Lion is going to have that experience?

Of course not. Be realistic.

Let's be realistic.

Oh, ok. 😉

You're having computer issues that may or may not have anything to do with Mountain Lion.

Of course, it could be hardware related, particularly with the Mini since it is th 2012 model and shipped with ML. Poor engineering could explain it. It's obvious that Apple f#ck'd up the design that's causing all the USB3/bluetooth problems. But that doesn't explain my Mac Pro troubles - there is no new hardware in that computer that wasn't there when it arrived with Snow Leopard installed two years ago. No problems with SL. No problems with Lion. But spontaneous shut downs and jacked-up Mail with ML.

For whatever reason, you have decided to not fix them, and blame them on Mountain Lion.

Please, tell me how to fix them. 🙄 I've been cracking open Macs for 20 years. I've replaced a hard drive in a G4 lampshade iMac, which was the most difficult Mac to work on, even requiring fresh heat sink compound on the cpu during the reassembly. I've even disassembled an Apple TV to put an eSATA port on it. I've replaced hard drives in the G4 MacBook Pros that essentially required a complete disassembly of the unit. I've done quite a bit with Macs and Systems 7, 8 and 9 and all versions of OS X. I have never had as much trouble as I have with Lion and Mountain Lion.

 

[HenryDJP]

If I don't the computer will not shut down - sticks at the gray screen. And yes, I have booted from my OS X ML flash drive to Repair Disk as well as Repair Permissions. No avail.



I've been using Macs since OS 7 in the early 1990s. Lion and Mountain Lion have been the least stable introductions since the switch to OS X (after its beta release). This is not just one computer, this is three - a 2012 Mac mini, a 2011 MacBook Pro and my 12-core Mac Pro.



It is my personal experience, but considering the hardware I'm running I shouldn't have this much trouble.

Well you date back just a tad bit before I do. I started on Mac since Mac OS 8. OS 9 was the worse OS I've ever used. Not saying that it was really bad but based on my entire experience with every Mac computer and Mac OS I've had, I had more issues with OS9 than anything else. I've had from an Powerbook to an iBook, to an iMac G4 to an iMac G5 to an iMac 24", to a Power Mac G5 to a Macbook Air to a Macbook Pro and now my new 27" iMac i7. My Apple hardware experience is extensive enough over the years to know which OS presented the worse issues, but that's just my experience. Why would you have a Hackintosh when you had a 12 Core Mac Pro?


I don't know why in the name of the good earth Snow Leopard receives so much praise here?
When it first came out it was referred to as an experience much worse than the worse version of Windows and that would be Windows Millennium Edition (ME). I actually thought Apple was going to come out and make a statement about Snow Leopard's issues because of all of the flaming going at MR, but then again, I see more flaming here towards Apple than I do anywhere else and I wouldn't consider MR to be a great source to gather facts and issues about Apple's OS or hardware. Please don't ask me why I said that, I'm just speaking from the experience of reading here long before I joined.

Personally Snow Leopard ran great for me, much better than Leopard but as time went by and Lion appeared all the complaints about Snow Leopard suddenly disappeared and now people here are singing the praises. Just my opinion but after spending a great amount of time being a lurker here I can see that people like to complain because it's easy to hide behind a computer and do so and sometimes it's just to annoy enthusiasts.

There is nothing wrong with Mountain Lion other than changes that people just don't want to deal with.

 

[RSL]

I don't know why in the name of the good earth Snow Leopard receives so much praise here?
When it first came out it was referred to as an experience much worse than the worse version of Windows and that would be Windows Millennium Edition (ME). I actually thought Apple was going to come out and make a statement about Snow Leopard's issues because of all of the flaming going at MR, but then again, I see more flaming here towards Apple than I do anywhere else and I wouldn't consider MR to be a great source to gather facts and issues about Apple's OS or hardware. Please don't ask me why I said that, I'm just speaking from the experience of reading here long before I joined.

Personally Snow Leopard ran great for me, much better than Leopard but as time went by and Lion appeared all the complaints about Snow Leopard suddenly disappeared and now people here are singing the praises.

If that were true then people would be praising Lion by now after it's been replaced by Mountain Lion. They're not, quite the contrary. Try to understand that people are not just whining idiots. Most have honest issues too long to all state here, e.g. WIFI not working, etc. SL did have some bugs when it first came out, but they were eventually ironed out. Lion, fuggedaboudit.

 

[Morod]

Apple stop putting out crappy half-baked consumer software and give Serlet whatever he wants to come back!!!

This, but it'll never happen. 🙁
I would like to hear his honest opinions of the most recent versions of OS X.

 

[LeandrodaFL]

I don't know why in the name of the good earth Snow Leopard receives so much praise here?

There is nothing wrong with Mountain Lion other than changes that people just don't want to deal with.

Maybe SNow Leopard was buggy, I cant tell. But the thing is that is not about a feature nor working. Is about not having the feature at all.

Lion does not have Spaces or Exposé, EVER. This thing is not buggy in Lion...is completly misssing from it.

At least they sort of fixed Exposé for Mountain Lion, but still no Spaces. thank god for Totalspaces.

 

[Valkyre]

The only issue i have with ML is the memory usage. This is indeed a stepback compared to Snow Leopard.

Lots of memory leaks flying around, huge amounts of ram spent and never returned and that whole "inactive memory" thing aint working according to specifications... inactive memory is supposed to be released when needed by the system, yet page outs begin to fly all over the place and your inactive memory sits there with 2-3gb smiling at you...

this is wrong.

I hope apple fixes this... in fact do we know if they will fix it or not? Have they said anything, can we expect anything?