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When in doubt, go with 4GB. It will come in handy now when you open a lot of programs, or if you use a virtual machine. It will come in handy later if you upgrade the OS and/or start using more 64-bit programs.

Exactly.

Plus, the fact you can't upgrade from 2gb will always nag in the back of your mind. At least, it would with me and I suspect many others. I think you qualify as an "other" if you visit a forum and ask/talk about specs tbh.

Assuming it doesn't explode, this maxed 11" will do me for 3+ years easily as my second machine. It is absolutely the ultraportable mac I've always dreamt of. I just wish they'd released it a few years ago, saving me the hassle of flirting with hackintosh netbooks and iPads!
 
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Thanks fir all the replies guys. At the end of the day I would be using the machine for browsing the web, viewing YouTube, possibly some light iMovie and garage band, stuff like that. It would be my first real mac computer coming from a very powerful desktop pc, iPad, iphone 4, and many ipods in the past. Exited to venture into Mac world but I think I really want convenience out of the machine. So I'm stu k between air and pro and honestly fir the same price as a nice pro 13" I can get a decked out air 13" and damn if it isn't cool!

What can the pro do that the air can't? With an update immenent for the pro I feel like air is the choice..
 
The Pro is upgradeable to 8GB, but if you are debating 2GB vs 4GB that probably isn't an issue. It also has a Firewire 800 port (nice for external hard drives), a slightly faster processor (2.4GHz but only 3MB cache), and a built-in optical drive.
 
4 gb

Since almost all laptops now come with 4 GB, you should get 4 GB. This is a case where there is safety in numbers.
 
If your buying the base 11 for use as a glorified iPad, 2GB is fine.

Anything else 4GB is the way to go,
for resale value alone, you'll get the $100 back I'd think.

Very surprised Apple would even release the 13"'s with 2GB.

But I guess they have 256MB in the iPad so it should not be too much of a surprise :)
 
The debate is 2GB/4GB because those are the only options. That's not the same as 8GB not being an issue.

Except that if 8GB were necessary then the MacBook Air wouldn't be under consideration.
 
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A Mac runs pretty well with 2gb of ram for routine lightweight tasks. It can even run fairly well with somewhat heavier tasks when compared to a similarly configured PC.

But when it comes to editing large sound, picture, and video files, or running virtual machines you really want more than 2gb to keep performance at a good level.

I've used previous 2gb MBAs for a couple of years as my primary machines while traveling and doing mostly routine office tasks with a little photo editing and VM work thrown in. I was always struggling a bit with 2gb when I went beyond routine tasks and would not have gotten a new MBA with out a 4 or 8 gb memory option.

It's pretty cheap future proofing if you plan to keep your machine much more than a year. Something with only 2gb is going to be harder to sell with 4gb getting more and more standard even if it provided no performance benefit.
 
I would agree, go with the 4, if you are planning on keeping this for over 2 years.

For me i got the 2, very happy with it, but I do see myself upgrading in 2 years, as this is my 1st mac - training wheels!
 
Pondering this very question myself, is 2gb really that much slower even with the SSD harddisc? I thought that once you had good speed on the harddrive then running out of memory would not be that big of a deal?

Anyone had any tests done on MBA when memory full vs MBP (with HDD) when memory full and seeing how it affects performance and how much quicker a machine with SSD is vs HDD when memory is full?
 
^ It still matters a lot. SSD is slow compared to DRAM; just like DRAM is slow compared to SRAM (cache).

Paging won't be as painful as with an HDD though.
 
Pondering this very question myself, is 2gb really that much slower even with the SSD harddisc? I thought that once you had good speed on the harddrive then running out of memory would not be that big of a deal?

Anyone had any tests done on MBA when memory full vs MBP (with HDD) when memory full and seeing how it affects performance and how much quicker a machine with SSD is vs HDD when memory is full?

My girlfriend just got the 2gb 11 inch so I tested it before I ordered mine. I ran windows in parallels along with all of the iLife programs, iTunes, multiple browsers and a few other apps. There was hardly any slowdown at all I couldn't believe it, I had a mbp with 2gb that I had to upgrade to 4 just for parallels because it would slow to a crawl with just parallels and a browser running.

Having said that I ordered my 11 inch a couple days ago and still got the 4gb of ram. I figure it is worth it just for resale value alone but there is a pretty big difference when maxing out your ram with an ssd compared to a standard hdd imo.
 
^i don't know what's going on in these computers....


with all the same apps open on my i5/ssd/mbp, as on my air, the mbp uses 4gb ram to the teeth, and the air uses 2gb to the teeth.....but they're both pretty much on par in smoothness.


page in, page out, ssd caching, i dunno..........i just know that on a windows machine, when your short on ram, it lags like a mofo. On a mac it somehow manages.
 
Yeah I was amazed by the air with 2gb, I ended up putting an ssd and a 1tb hdd in my mbp but these new airs just feel snappier for some reason. I'm selling my mbp now but keeping the ssd to boot my iMac with. My 27 inch iMac feels slower than the 11 inch air right now, Half the reason I want the air is because I want to use the mbp ssd on the iMac so bad haha
 
At the end of the day it's all about what are you gonna do with it. Photoshop, Aperture, games? 4Gb, otherwise you won't notice much difference.
 
Pondering this very question myself, is 2gb really that much slower even with the SSD harddisc? I thought that once you had good speed on the harddrive then running out of memory would not be that big of a deal?

Anyone had any tests done on MBA when memory full vs MBP (with HDD) when memory full and seeing how it affects performance and how much quicker a machine with SSD is vs HDD when memory is full?

If you're planning on keeping your MBA for some time, heavy paging (running out of memory) is really hard on a SSD with FINITE write cycles, especially the Toshiba controller type used in the MBA's SSD which ends up using more write cycles than other SSD types. (this is due to the agressive garbage collection as OSX does not support TRIM) Of course, it isn't bad if your SSD is not filled up (as the controller has much more room to "wear-level", but since many of us are going to have 80-90% full SSD's, the wear rate is going to be higher. I've used SSD's since the craptastic indilinx powered ones and I've actually worn a few out lol.

Excerpts taken from Anandtech's review of Kingston's latest SSD which shares the same configuration as our MBA's SSD's:

"This drive uses the T6UG1XBG controller but with updated firmware. The new firmware enables two things: very aggressive OS-independent garbage collection and higher overall performance. The former is very important as this is the same controller used in Apple's new MacBook Air"

"The V+100 aggressively tries to reorganize writes and recycle bad blocks, more aggressively than we've seen from any other SSD.

The benefit of this is you get peak performance out of the drive regardless of how much you use it, which is perfect for an OS without TRIM support - ahem, OS X. Now you can see why Apple chose this controller.

There is a downside however: write amplification. For every 4KB we randomly write to a location on the drive, the actual amount of data written is much, much greater. It's the cost of constantly cleaning/reorganizing the drive for performance. While I haven't had any 50nm, 4xnm or 3xnm NAND physically wear out on me, the V+100 is the most likely to blow through those program/erase cycles. Keep in mind that at the 3xnm node you no longer have 10,000 cycles, but closer to 5,000 before your NAND dies. On nearly all drives we've tested this isn't an issue, but I would be concerned about the V+100. Concerned enough to recommend running it with 20% free space at all times (at least). The more free space you have, the better job the controller can do wear leveling."
 
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i'm getting the 11.6 Air for my wife for Christmas to replace her 14" HP Core 2 laptop. What's funny is her HP has a 1.6 C2D processor and the Air I'm getting her (5 years later mind you) has a 1.4 C2D processor!

But anyway, get the 4gb if you plan on keeping it for a long time.
 
i'm getting the 11.6 Air for my wife for Christmas to replace her 14" HP Core 2 laptop. What's funny is her HP has a 1.6 C2D processor and the Air I'm getting her (5 years later mind you) has a 1.4 C2D processor!

But anyway, get the 4gb if you plan on keeping it for a long time.

I thought the Core 2 Duo came out 4 years ago. Are you sure it isn't a Core Duo? Point taken, though.
 
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