So glad I purchased the 2019 iMac

[pldelisle]

I understand, Thank you. What is your opinion about Fusion Drives in general? Do I need to worry about reliability?

It’s one of the worst thing human made in technology.
The mechanical part is unreliable at long term just like any mechanical hard drive. Problem is that it's hard to change it in case of failure, making the Fusion drive the worst choice ever for a computer like the iMac. I don't know why Apple ever created this sh*t. And they don't use good HDDs like enterprise grade HDD, worsening the reliability even further.

One should have never chose this drive in an iMac.

 

[Benz63amg]

It’s one of the worst thing human made in technology.
The mechanical part is unreliable at long term just like any mechanical hard drive. Problem is that it's hard to change it in case of failure, making the Fusion drive the worst choice ever for a computer like the iMac. I don't know why Apple ever created this sh*t. And they don't use good HDDs like enterprise grade HDD, worsening the reliability even further.

One should have never chose this drive in an iMac.

What makes you say that? Have you owned an iMac with a Fusion Drive? I own a 2019 iMac with a 2TB Fusion Drive and the performance has been fantastic throughout, I'm sure a 2TB SSD would be even faster but why are you bad mouthing the Fusion drive so harshly is what i'd like to understand

 

[pldelisle]

What makes you say that? Have you owned an iMac with a Fusion Drive? I own a 2019 iMac with a 2TB Fusion Drive and the performance has been fantastic throughout, I'm sure a 2TB SSD would be even faster but why are you bad mouthing the Fusion drive so harshly is what i'd like to understand

Because it’s still a mechanical hard drive. I thought I had been explicit enough 😅

And because APFS can’t be used with this type of drive.

Ans because the ssd portion is too small.

And because it’s poor reliability.

I never had a mac with a mechanical hard drive. My first was a 2012 MBP15 Retina, second one a 2013 MBP15. My last computer with mechanical hard drive was back in 2005. We are in 2020. Selling any computer in this world with mechanical hard drive should be persecuted by law.

Mechanical HDD must be used only for storage units, servers, cloud. Something you don’t work directly on. Anything other should be NVME SSD. Even my NAS has SSD for caching. When I dump a file on it, I want to max out my gigabit link whatever the file size is. Only an SSD can do this.

 

[CE3]

What made you opt for 1Tb this time around then if 512 has always been sufficient to you?(aside from the performance boost mentioned above)

512gb is way too limiting and it’s more than just photos, videos. Apple Loops take huge space on the drive, iPhone backups take a large footprint on the drive as well and what’s the point of getting such a nice computer that only has 512gb Storage

It was $189 upgrade @ Expercom and 1tb will likely mean better resale value in a year or two. Same reason I opted for 10gbE.

What's the point of getting such a nice computer? Really? If you were talking about 128 or 256 capacities you might have an argument. 512GB might not to be enough space for you, but it's been more than enough for me. I welcome the extra space for those times I need to temporarily dump a bunch of data into a folder on my desktop, but I prefer to use external drives for photo / video / audio libraries, backups, video editing etc.. and there are times where I need take a drive with me and connect to other devices. Otherwise they're in my desk plugged into the the back of the iMac and I don't even notice them. Not everyone's preferred workflow and internal storage requirements will mirror your own.

 

[AlexMaximus]

I could have waited for the 2020 27" 5K iMac but decided I would buy in 2019. I purchased the 2019 27inch 5K 2TB FD model and now feel totally vindicated with that decision. I'm only a light user these days and find the 128 gigs of fast storage more than enough, as to date I'm only using around a third of that, with the heavier data residing on the HDD. I don't have any fan noise or heat issues etc. yet it's no slouch. When I look at all the threads and many many posts of customers with the 2020 model complaining of fan noise, heat issues, throttling etc. I'm glad I didn't wait for this model. I'm happy to leave it to those who thirst for the fastest Ferrari iMac out there with all that brings to the party. I will still get to the same destination albeit a couple of seconds slower without a hair out of place and feeling totally relaxed. One satisfied customer.

I am absolute with you on this one. I think most people just don't really need today's power anyways. The big problem in the industry is that with higher speced out machines these days, most people get workstation power that no ordinary user rarely needs. Most consumer machines have more power then Workstations only three years ago. Look at the iMac Pro. Who in the world is rendering the whole day really? Some Pro's or lonely YouTubers, - maybe. But that's about it. If you work for Hollywood, OK.
I would love to get a shiny new iMac 2020 of course, but not because I really need it, because it would give me a great feeling to have something brand new. But makes it any sense? Is it economical? If Apple would not make the machines intentional slower towards the end of the live cycle, a lot fewer people would get one at all. I can justify upgrades stretched over 5 years with an overall usage of 10 years, - and that is just a maybe. Everything else is a classical first world problem that is no problem. My machine has basically a decade old CPU with a GPU from 2019 and a NVME SSD from 2020 and it feels lightning-fast for what I do. - Most likely (with some minor hacks) this machine will run just fine five years from now. Now you reflect the link below...

If only 7 out of 100 People have a computer, then less then one would have a mac. And in that pool, you are the one with a one year old machine...

first world problems that are no problems..

 

[Benz63amg]

It’s one of the worst thing human made in technology.
The mechanical part is unreliable at long term just like any mechanical hard drive. Problem is that it's hard to change it in case of failure, making the Fusion drive the worst choice ever for a computer like the iMac. I don't know why Apple ever created this sh*t. And they don't use good HDDs like enterprise grade HDD, worsening the reliability even further.

One should have never chose this drive in an iMac.

I still don’t understand why you continuously keep bashing the fusion drive and call it worst invention in technology history.. have you personally used a Mac with one? Performance is fast and great based on my personal experience with a 2TB FD, why do you say it’s so terrible?

 

[pldelisle]

I still don’t understand why you continuously keep bashing the fusion drive and call it worst invention in technology history.. have you personally used a Mac with one? Performance is fast and great based on my personal experience with a 2TB FD, why do you say it’s so terrible?

Just keep reading my posts again. I've said it many times. I think your Fusion drive blinded you to real, reliable and high performant tech that SSDs are

 

[Lankyman]

Because it’s still a mechanical hard drive. I thought I had been explicit enough 😅

And because APFS can’t be used with this type of drive.

Ans because the ssd portion is too small.

And because it’s poor reliability.

You really don’t know what you are talking about.
1. My 2019 FD iMac is APFS.
2. I find the 128 gigs of fast storage plenty.
3. I’m still using the HDD from my 2011 iMac. That’s good enough reliability for me.

 

[pldelisle]

You really don’t know what you are talking about.
1. My 2019 FD iMac is APFS.
2. I find the 128 gigs of fast storage plenty.
3. I’m still using the HDD from my 2011 iMac. That’s good enough reliability for me.

LOL

1. I didn’t know APFS was on FD. I thought it was a limitation. Good to know.

2. Good for you. 128 GB is not even Able to store a particular file I use everyday (data analytics).

3. You are kinda lucky because everybody knows that HDDs are still the only mechanical part of these computers so it does one day or another fail. This is the same thing for everything which is mechanical in life. SSDs tend to be far more reliable.

I’ve always had SSD in the last 15 years. My first SSD was an Intel 40 GBs I paid 350 $ CAD. It was the beginning of the SSDs. Since then, the only thing running HDDs is my NAS, but it run WD SE enterprise grade. When they will fail, I will likely replace them by SSDs.

 

[Donnation]

I could have waited for the 2020 27" 5K iMac but decided I would buy in 2019. I purchased the 2019 27inch 5K 2TB FD model and now feel totally vindicated with that decision. I'm only a light user these days and find the 128 gigs of fast storage more than enough, as to date I'm only using around a third of that, with the heavier data residing on the HDD. I don't have any fan noise or heat issues etc. yet it's no slouch. When I look at all the threads and many many posts of customers with the 2020 model complaining of fan noise, heat issues, throttling etc. I'm glad I didn't wait for this model. I'm happy to leave it to those who thirst for the fastest Ferrari iMac out there with all that brings to the party. I will still get to the same destination albeit a couple of seconds slower without a hair out of place and feeling totally relaxed. One satisfied customer.

Weren't you yourself searching for the fastest Ferrari when you purchased the 2019 iMac? You could have easily purchased a 2017 model for what you use it for and you would have seen zero difference in performance. You chose to go with the current model, because it was the newest one and you wanted/needed one.

So I don't really know why you would be happy that you purchased the 2019 model, because if you would have waited a little longer you would have got a much better machine on every front. Faster, better speakers, a much better camera (which is more important now than ever" and the option for a matte screen (which isn't for everyone, but my god I love it). Oh and you could have gotten all of those things (minus the matte screen) for the same price as what you paid for for you 2019 model.

And for the record, I've not seen any of those issues you've stated are happening to other 2020 users. Mine is quiet as a mouse and runs very cool. It easily the best iMac I have ever used and it really runs beautifully.

At the end of the day there is always something newer down the road. Trying to justify within yourself that you made the right decision by buying a little earlier than the latest model is normal human behavior. You have a good model iMac for sure that as long as it works for you, that's awesome. But trying to justify it against the 2020 model that is superior in every single way is just silly.

 

[Lankyman]

LOL

1. I didn’t know APFS was on FD. I thought it was a limitation. Good to know.

2. Good for you. 128 GB is not even Able to store a particular file I use everyday (data analytics).

3. You are kinda lucky because everybody knows that HDDs are still the only mechanical part of these computers so it does one day or another fail. This is the same thing for everything which is mechanical in life. SSDs tend to be far more reliable.

I’ve always had SSD in the last 15 years. My first SSD was an Intel 40 GBs I paid 350 $ CAD. It was the beginning of the SSDs. Since then, the only thing running HDDs is my NAS, but it run WD SE enterprise grade. When they will fail, I will likely replace them by SSDs.

Which is fine for you, but you have to appreciate that your needs aren't the same as everyone else's. For a great many users, especially Jill and Joe Public a Fusion Drive is a good choice.

 

[Lankyman]

Weren't you yourself searching for the fastest Ferrari when you purchased the 2019 iMac? You could have easily purchased a 2017 model for what you use it for and you would have seen zero difference in performance. You chose to go with the current model, because it was the newest one and you wanted/needed one.

So I don't really know why you would be happy that you purchased the 2019 model, because if you would have waited a little longer you would have got a much better machine on every front. Faster, better speakers, a much better camera (which is more important now than ever" and the option for a matte screen (which isn't for everyone, but my god I love it). Oh and you could have gotten all of those things (minus the matte screen) for the same price as what you paid for for you 2019 model.

And for the record, I've not seen any of those issues you've stated are happening to other 2020 users. Mine is quiet as a mouse and runs very cool. It easily the best iMac I have ever used and it really runs beautifully.

At the end of the day there is always something newer down the road. Trying to justify within yourself that you made the right decision by buying a little earlier than the latest model is normal human behavior. You have a good model iMac for sure that as long as it works for you, that's awesome. But trying to justify it against the 2020 model that is superior in every single way is just silly.

I don't buy used items plus at the time I needed an iMac for immediate delivery. I purchased the iMac that was available from my local department store (they offer a better warranty than Apple). One only has to look on this forum to see the threads about noise, heat, throttling etc. to see this is an issue, hence my post. It's good that you are happy with your purchase and you have none of these issues.

 

[pldelisle]

Which is fine for you, but you have to appreciate that your needs aren't the same as everyone else's. For a great many users, especially Jill and Joe Public a Fusion Drive is a good choice.

It was in 2012. But in 2019-2020, FD is a joke. Sorry, we will always diverge on this point. I believe as hard as steel that SSD are much, much better in every aspect than FD. Maybe not on the price, but. for everything else, it's far better.

 

[Benz63amg]

Weren't you yourself searching for the fastest Ferrari when you purchased the 2019 iMac? You could have easily purchased a 2017 model for what you use it for and you would have seen zero difference in performance. You chose to go with the current model, because it was the newest one and you wanted/needed one.

So I don't really know why you would be happy that you purchased the 2019 model, because if you would have waited a little longer you would have got a much better machine on every front. Faster, better speakers, a much better camera (which is more important now than ever" and the option for a matte screen (which isn't for everyone, but my god I love it). Oh and you could have gotten all of those things (minus the matte screen) for the same price as what you paid for for you 2019 model.

And for the record, I've not seen any of those issues you've stated are happening to other 2020 users. Mine is quiet as a mouse and runs very cool. It easily the best iMac I have ever used and it really runs beautifully.

At the end of the day there is always something newer down the road. Trying to justify within yourself that you made the right decision by buying a little earlier than the latest model is normal human behavior. You have a good model iMac for sure that as long as it works for you, that's awesome. But trying to justify it against the 2020 model that is superior in every single way is just silly.

Yeah, it's not about that. It has become the norm here on the forum to "Bash" the Fusion Drive as being a terrible and horrible storage medium when in reality i

It was in 2012. But in 2019-2020, FD is a joke. Sorry, we will always diverge on this point. I believe as hard as steel that SSD are much, much better in every aspect than FD. Maybe not on the price, but. for everything else, it's far better.

price and storage

 

[pldelisle]

Yeah, it's not about that. It has become the norm here on the forum to "Bash" the Fusion Drive as being a terrible and horrible storage medium when in reality i

price and storage

2 TB SSD == 2 TB FD. But 2 TB SSD is pricier, but far more performant and reliable.